thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ i have been telling this for ages finally somebody updated the meme
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What I particularly love about this is that it completely works as a metaphor as well:
The true solution when you face a "trolley problem" in real life is to study more detail to find additional options. Because no real world situation is ever this binary.
@TerryHancock @SnoopJ I think that's why the hypothetical thought experiment has such urgency built into it. Decide now! Flip the switch or not. Push the fat man or not. Tick tock. Tick tock.
A similar tactic to that used by phishers. And the response is the same: "Nothing is that urgent. Stop. Breathe. Think."
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ Doesn't trolley problem exists only to highlight that no matter the decision you make you are the one deciding who is getting harmed or in this scenario, who is going to take on risk of being injured. This problem exists to make you think about philosophy, law and ethics. Obviously in the real world there are practical solutions that minimize risk and make sure that least amount of people gets harmed, but again, this is hypothetical scenario meant for students.
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ I’m glad we’re past this justification machine for authoritarianism
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ Kirk‘s Kobayashi maru test-result?
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@SnoopJ
Reverse the problem. What do you do if it's Trump strapped to one line and Putin to the other (other malign leaders are available)?None of the proposed solutions would achieve an optimum outcome!
@gregalotl @SnoopJ But what if... you strap the dictators and their goons to the bottom line and a decent politician to the other line? Would that have an impact on your decision what to do?
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@gregalotl @SnoopJ But what if... you strap the dictators and their goons to the bottom line and a decent politician to the other line? Would that have an impact on your decision what to do?
@art_histories
Absobloodylutely! Then I'd extort an extravagent amount of money out of the bad-uns to run over the good-un. But I'd still run over the baddies.
Job done, yea unto the next generation (nothing to inherit
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ the trolley derails and kills 10 people riding the trolley injuring others
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@crouton their union card says "don't panic" on the back, I bet
@SnoopJ @crouton Actually it has the preamble of the IWW on the back:
"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. There can be no peace as long as hunger and want are found among millions of working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things of life. ..."
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ what if the derailment leads to the death of 6 people on the trolley?
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@ZenHeathen @SnoopJ This is really reminiscent of Bernard Williams. He had a lot to say about morality, almost all of it negative, but he particularly detested the inescapability and ubiquity of the obligation it imposes on everybody. Morality says that if you're at that lever you are *obligated* to choose who to save. It's on you. Williams called bullshit.
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ that fact we all try to find a technical loophole to the problem is the problem - we don’t want to face the decision. But that is the point of the trolly problem in the first place.
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What I particularly love about this is that it completely works as a metaphor as well:
The true solution when you face a "trolley problem" in real life is to study more detail to find additional options. Because no real world situation is ever this binary.
@TerryHancock @SnoopJ the first part I saw of this toot, and the whole discussion, was the last sentence. I immediately associated it with the argument "nothing in nature is binary" in gender discourse. After the rest of the toot made its way to my brain, I concluded: "trolley problem" would be such a fabulous gender for a person to have. I will have to consider adding it next to the one I just announced.
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ Oscar Puente would like a word.
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ@hachyderm.io okay, but the momentum of the trolly is going to make it rotate and fly off the tracks so it still might kill some people
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thinking about how there's a true solution to the trolley problem and union workers were the ones to point it out
@SnoopJ People have literally died this way, when a faulty switch ahead of the platform caused a wagon to sweep it.
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@SnoopJ The Metaphor Problem: You need to be able to describe abstract concepts to uneducated persons, so you use a metaphor to explain it. But then some of those people take the metaphor literally and try to figure out how to resolve it as if it were a literal situation. It's not yet been determined if this is avoidable, since doing so would require a metaphor that applies down to the most minute details possible.
@disorderlyf @SnoopJ
The problem is that the metaphor adds extra details that complicate the basic moral question. Either those details are important, in which case you can't fault people for considering them, or they are unimportant, in which case the metaphor is flawed for including them. -
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@SnoopJ ... killing everyone aboard
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@TerryHancock @SnoopJ I think that's why the hypothetical thought experiment has such urgency built into it. Decide now! Flip the switch or not. Push the fat man or not. Tick tock. Tick tock.
A similar tactic to that used by phishers. And the response is the same: "Nothing is that urgent. Stop. Breathe. Think."
@GrahamDowns @TerryHancock @SnoopJ
Of course sometimes people really do have to make snap decisions. One of the ways we can improve our quick decision making is to consider possible cases in detail in advance so we're ready when they come up. That said, we should be more generous judging people forced to make quick decisions.
