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  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116718376973617082

    Commons-based (independent org funded by EU taxpayer money) Let’s Encrypt compatible ACME certificate provider now, please.

    CC @EUCommission (Unless you want Europe’s online security to be another bargaining chip for Trump et al.)

    jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ poulet_benoit@fosstodon.orgP lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL i@toot.pouyan.netI drq@mastodon.mlD 7 Replies Last reply
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    • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

      RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116718376973617082

      Commons-based (independent org funded by EU taxpayer money) Let’s Encrypt compatible ACME certificate provider now, please.

      CC @EUCommission (Unless you want Europe’s online security to be another bargaining chip for Trump et al.)

      jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ This user is from outside of this forum
      jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @aral not commons, and it requires an account, but a free and Italian option for people in the meantime: https://www.actalis.com/subscription

      uhuru@kafeneio.socialU regendans@todon.euR feld@friedcheese.usF 3 Replies Last reply
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      • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

        RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116718376973617082

        Commons-based (independent org funded by EU taxpayer money) Let’s Encrypt compatible ACME certificate provider now, please.

        CC @EUCommission (Unless you want Europe’s online security to be another bargaining chip for Trump et al.)

        poulet_benoit@fosstodon.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
        poulet_benoit@fosstodon.orgP This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @aral @EUCommission

        That’s perfect, with all theses stupids move, the world will be building alternatives.

        It’s a good things for everyone (but the US)

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        • poulet_benoit@fosstodon.orgP poulet_benoit@fosstodon.org

          @aral @EUCommission

          That’s perfect, with all theses stupids move, the world will be building alternatives.

          It’s a good things for everyone (but the US)

          fullywoolly@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @poulet_benoit @aral @EUCommission I still think it's good for everyone if there are more options. It's a tragedy that lets encrypt has to enforce export control on the "enemy" of the hour instead of focusing on their mission of creating a more secure internet for everyone.

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          • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

            RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116718376973617082

            Commons-based (independent org funded by EU taxpayer money) Let’s Encrypt compatible ACME certificate provider now, please.

            CC @EUCommission (Unless you want Europe’s online security to be another bargaining chip for Trump et al.)

            lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @aral @EUCommission I'm sure someone in Russia can step up to provide certificates usable in places sanctioned by the U$

            aral@mastodon.ar.alA tiredbun@akko.wtfT 2 Replies Last reply
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            • jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ jonah@mastodon.neat.computer

              @aral not commons, and it requires an account, but a free and Italian option for people in the meantime: https://www.actalis.com/subscription

              uhuru@kafeneio.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @jonah @aral
              +1 for #Actalis
              not commons, and free subscription needed... but ACME compatible... already using it for lots of web/mail stuff, without any issues..

              #buypass (from NO) is another option but iirc they stopped their free certs some time ago, only paid certs now, but still acme compatible

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              • jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ jonah@mastodon.neat.computer

                @aral not commons, and it requires an account, but a free and Italian option for people in the meantime: https://www.actalis.com/subscription

                regendans@todon.euR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @jonah @aral It's a pity that CAcert.org never succeeded. If I remember correctly I got a reminder email from them a few months ago so I assume they're still out there.

                Then there's the confusing story of Zero SSL (which Caddy webserver started to default to I believe) which can be used to get a limited amount of 'free' SSL certificates.

                https://blog.hqcodeshop.fi/archives/391-Goodbye-CAcert.org-Welcome-Lets-Encrypt!.html

                https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/zero-ssl-who-is-this/243898/3

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                • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                  RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116718376973617082

                  Commons-based (independent org funded by EU taxpayer money) Let’s Encrypt compatible ACME certificate provider now, please.

                  CC @EUCommission (Unless you want Europe’s online security to be another bargaining chip for Trump et al.)

                  i@toot.pouyan.netI This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8
                  @aral Actalis has actually comparable services as Let's Encrypt. But it's not as advances or stable as LE in my opinion.

                  https://www.actalis.com/activate-free-plan

                  @EUCommission
                  aral@mastodon.ar.alA rmbolger@mastodon.socialR 2 Replies Last reply
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                  • i@toot.pouyan.netI i@toot.pouyan.net
                    @aral Actalis has actually comparable services as Let's Encrypt. But it's not as advances or stable as LE in my opinion.

                    https://www.actalis.com/activate-free-plan

                    @EUCommission
                    aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @i @EUCommission And, yet again, it’s a commercial enterprise.

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                    • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                      @aral @EUCommission I'm sure someone in Russia can step up to provide certificates usable in places sanctioned by the U$

                      aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @LukefromDC @EUCommission Thanks but no thanks.

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                      • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                        @i @EUCommission And, yet again, it’s a commercial enterprise.

                        i@toot.pouyan.netI This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11
                        @aral indeed. But you need orgs like these and other PKI operators to be able to create a CA that can compete with LE.

                        Let's Encrypt founding sponsors and partners include Cisco and Akamai. They are also sponsored ATM by Google, Microsoft, etc.

                        @EUCommission
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                        • i@toot.pouyan.netI i@toot.pouyan.net
                          @aral indeed. But you need orgs like these and other PKI operators to be able to create a CA that can compete with LE.

                          Let's Encrypt founding sponsors and partners include Cisco and Akamai. They are also sponsored ATM by Google, Microsoft, etc.

                          @EUCommission
                          aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @i @EUCommission Right, what I’m saying is that we need to fund not a business but an org for in the common good so it’s free as in freedom not free as the free tier.

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                          • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                            @LukefromDC @EUCommission Thanks but no thanks.

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                            #13

                            @aral @EUCommission The point is really that US sanctions are now so widespread as to encourage nations sanctioned by the US to cooperate with oneanother regardless of other factors short of direct war or invasion between one and another.

                            By blocking use of Lets Encrypt in sanctioned countries, the US is ceding ground to Russia at the expense of countries like Ukraine. They are dreaming if they think people will go back to straight http over this.

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                            • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                              RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116718376973617082

                              Commons-based (independent org funded by EU taxpayer money) Let’s Encrypt compatible ACME certificate provider now, please.

                              CC @EUCommission (Unless you want Europe’s online security to be another bargaining chip for Trump et al.)

                              drq@mastodon.mlD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @aral Or push for DANE in browsers and other clients.

                              Or both. Both is good.

                              @EUCommission

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                              • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116718376973617082

                                Commons-based (independent org funded by EU taxpayer money) Let’s Encrypt compatible ACME certificate provider now, please.

                                CC @EUCommission (Unless you want Europe’s online security to be another bargaining chip for Trump et al.)

                                woozle@toot.catW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @aral

                                Basing anything on US policy generally is questionable; basing it on US policy right now is bananabonkers.

                                If it had said "UN sanctioned" or "EU sanctioned", that would be another matter entirely.

                                @EUCommission

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                                • i@toot.pouyan.netI i@toot.pouyan.net
                                  @aral Actalis has actually comparable services as Let's Encrypt. But it's not as advances or stable as LE in my opinion.

                                  https://www.actalis.com/activate-free-plan

                                  @EUCommission
                                  rmbolger@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @i @aral @EUCommission Not really comparable when the free option is limited to a single domain SAN (with optional www variant) and no wildcards. It’s just a loss leader from a commercial CA trying to attract new paying customers.

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                                  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                    RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116718376973617082

                                    Commons-based (independent org funded by EU taxpayer money) Let’s Encrypt compatible ACME certificate provider now, please.

                                    CC @EUCommission (Unless you want Europe’s online security to be another bargaining chip for Trump et al.)

                                    aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @EUCommission By the way, in case you’re wondering, this means that apart from folks in Cuba and Iran not being able to use Let’s Encrypt, neither can the UN Special Rapporteur for Palestine, Francesca Albanese nor the ~11 International Criminal Court judges and other officials that are being persecuted for opposing Israel’s ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people and their efforts to bring the war criminals responsible to justice.

                                    #LetsEncrypt #USA #fascism #israel #genocide #sanctions #EU #sovereignty

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                                    • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                      @aral @EUCommission I'm sure someone in Russia can step up to provide certificates usable in places sanctioned by the U$

                                      tiredbun@akko.wtfT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18
                                      @LukefromDC @aral @EUCommission

                                      Nobody even in Russia itself wants to install Russian government controlled CA on their devices.
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                                      • tiredbun@akko.wtfT tiredbun@akko.wtf
                                        @LukefromDC @aral @EUCommission

                                        Nobody even in Russia itself wants to install Russian government controlled CA on their devices.
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                                        #19

                                        @tiredbun @EUCommission @aral I was more thinking Russian 3ed parties than the government itself unless Putin has banned that.

                                        If there's one thing less safe than encryption with a Russian certificate, it's going back to plain http, which can be read and monitored by ISPs and sometimes even a hostile party on coffeeshop witi.

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                                        • jonah@mastodon.neat.computerJ jonah@mastodon.neat.computer

                                          @aral not commons, and it requires an account, but a free and Italian option for people in the meantime: https://www.actalis.com/subscription

                                          feld@friedcheese.usF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20
                                          @jonah @aral creating a new one is useless in the short term because of the amount of time it takes to get the new CA propagated into all the OS and browser CA trust stores by default (it will take years)

                                          this is something that should have been done many years ago.

                                          but instead how about we just abolish the entire centralized CA system?
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