this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
History is **littered** with technology that was "here to stay" and was going to "change the world". **AI ALONE** has gone through at least four cycles of this hype in my lifetime alone!
LLMbeciles, in specific, are going to die a horrible death as soon as the fiscal gloves come off and be relegated to tiny niches like all prior AI did.
But go ahead. Ignore history. I'll just grab the popcorn and watch.
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
@cabel I didn't think she connects the dots on what either the booing or cheering is for
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@cabel The companies building AI have told us for the past few years that AI can do our jobs better and cheaper than us and that it will replace us. This sounds great if you're an investor, but we are not investors. We are people who need to work to make ends meet and pay our bills. The vast majority of society is.
@alpacamale @cabel It doesn’t ”do our jobs better”, but it does certain jobs better that used to be where juniors trained to become seniors.
This changes the job description in programming and art production to become more of a manager than a craftsman, which is already happening.
These new jobs have to them more of a mass-production vibe than making beautiful things.
They still need some high-skilled workers, but much fewer, thus corporates can now select for loyalty
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this graduation speech moment is notable, and her amazed shock at having failed to read the room feels instructive.
when you’re inside the bubble, you think everybody else is. but everybody isn’t.
@cabel
Imagine going to university expecting to learn from the best the country had to offer, only to have top management parroting charlatans like Altman, Musk and Amodei.
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@rainynight65 @cabel Don’t think she knows what she’s saying..
The industrial revolution was about deskilling, removing power #labour used to have, and concentrating it in the hands of those who owned the machines
This is the same plan #AI industrialists have right now
It isn’t one bit worth to celebrate. No teacher worth their salt should be praising it
The #industrialrevolution plunged majorities of citizens into poverty for 4 generations before they took control back!
@gimulnautti @rainynight65 @cabel What happened to all the shorthand typists? Would you dictate your toot to a typist so they could then put it on a noticeboard?
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
No. Environmental destruction, resource capture, profiling and political advertising are all reasons for people hating AI.
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I can't imagine "the internet" getting boo'd like that in 2001 Grads would have cheered along for "internet"
Or even like bitcoin in say 2010, lots of people were skeptical but would not have just boo'd
This is remarkably unpopular.
@futurebird @cabel Well, I guess there are quite a few people in the audience who have been told that their just received diplomas may be decorative on their bedroom walls, but will not give them access to rewarding, well-paid jobs like they were promised 4 years ago ... soooooo ...
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You had about half a dozen chances to participate in a calm and meaningful discussion and you blew all of them.
I'm glad that this is quite a rare exception in the #Fediverse and I truly hope it stays like this.
So how about you join in and come up with some arguments instead of calling sceptics haters?
@cabel @danbrotherston @pontus_k @tribactam @gulfie @Mikal @SmartmanApps @skjeggtroll @rubixhelix
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@danbrotherston @cabel Just like AI haters aren’t opposed to the environmental and financial impacts of AI; they’re simply afraid of being replaced and don’t want to learn new skills.
@howking @danbrotherston @cabel actually we hate the whole range of pointless problems that AI is creating for us. -
@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
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@cabel Here, too, you’re in an “AI-hater” bubble, but AI is here to stay—just as smashing machines didn’t stop the Industrial Revolution.
@cabel AI hate sentiment is just as much of a pose as anti-vax. It’s a herd mentality—joining a group of people who don’t understand this any better than I do.
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@raymaccarthy @cabel Not very well at first.
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@howking @cabel @danbrotherston @gulfie @Mikal @SmartmanApps @skjeggtroll Nigga why you look like gargamel from the smurfs
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@danbrotherston @howking @cabel Not only were the Luddites not against the machinery, many of them were MASTER USERS OF IT. Exactly as you said, the protest wasn't against machinery but against what it was doing to entire societies.
And it's the same fight today.
@ZDL @danbrotherston @howking @cabel
The owners were making 1000 to 10000 times more profit from the workers, but giving less pay and poorer conditions, though more people had jobs.It was not about the machines, but objecting to greed.
The AI LLM is different:
The providers are not actually making a profit.
Contentious that the companies using make more money,
It may not work well.
A few providers.
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@ZDL @danbrotherston @howking @cabel
The owners were making 1000 to 10000 times more profit from the workers, but giving less pay and poorer conditions, though more people had jobs.It was not about the machines, but objecting to greed.
The AI LLM is different:
The providers are not actually making a profit.
Contentious that the companies using make more money,
It may not work well.
A few providers.
Content often illegally obtained.
The marketing is lies.@raymaccarthy @danbrotherston @howking @cabel Well, yes. The unmitigated failure of LLM technology to actually turn a profit is also a strong rejoinder to "this is the next industrial revolution".
What I'm always pondering is "What examples of world-changing technology in the past has required people to force it into other people's maws to get it used?"
The closest I can get to is vaccination, and that was a very different situation.
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@SmartmanApps @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel but it kind of does? i mean theres mathematicians acknowledging its generating some pretty decent proofs of previously unsolved stuff and so forth. i dont see why people are always clinging to these by now obviously false claims of inaptitude when the issues are much more standard capitalism type
@uniwuni @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
" it kind of does?" - no, it totally doesn't"its generating some pretty decent proofs" - worded proofs, but as we've seen repeatedly https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367
it will often SAY the right thing to do, then not do it, because it doesn't understand what those words mean. Witness where it says "inside the brackets", but removes the brackets, and in algebra applies what it says to one side of the equation only, instead of both sides (and concludes "1=0"
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I can't imagine "the internet" getting boo'd like that in 2001 Grads would have cheered along for "internet"
Or even like bitcoin in say 2010, lots of people were skeptical but would not have just boo'd
This is remarkably unpopular.
@futurebird @cabel Notable too, her next line, "A few years ago, A.I. was not a factor in our lives" *does* get cheered, so they're clearly not out for the speaker themselves, but the specific message.
As opposed to people who thought Conservatives were confused when they cheered when one of the Conservative speakers was say "Do you want impeachment?", and was not expecting the cheering then either...and figured they could point out that they were *supposed* to be opposed to another impeachment of Trump this recent year.
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@uniwuni @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
" it kind of does?" - no, it totally doesn't"its generating some pretty decent proofs" - worded proofs, but as we've seen repeatedly https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367
it will often SAY the right thing to do, then not do it, because it doesn't understand what those words mean. Witness where it says "inside the brackets", but removes the brackets, and in algebra applies what it says to one side of the equation only, instead of both sides (and concludes "1=0" )@uniwuni @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cabel
"obviously false claims of inaptitude" - nope. See my thread for the proof of it's ineptitude at Maths -
@cabel @ShaulaEvans I'm guessing those grads have discovered what the job market is like, since AI-related layoffs.
@deborahh @cabel @ShaulaEvans Don't even need to discover - just need to have seen the result from others in the market, or just...have heard enough about LLMs to be opposed to them.
