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crime is a spook

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  • K kazan@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    Of course, morality itself is a social construct, no? Even the foundation itself is shaky.

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    8oow3291d@feddit.dk
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    Depends? Morality like “don’t steal” is partially a consequence of game theory. Game theory is math.

    Is math a social construct - obviously not completely.

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      bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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      The news media is pushing the narrative that it was a fake school. Fake art supplies etc. Its REALLY fucking evil. Of course everyone will believe that now.

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      • B bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works

        The news media is pushing the narrative that it was a fake school. Fake art supplies etc. Its REALLY fucking evil. Of course everyone will believe that now.

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        banme@lemmy.world
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        Only to people who believe the media, who are already quite lost.

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        • 8 8oow3291d@feddit.dk

          Depends? Morality like “don’t steal” is partially a consequence of game theory. Game theory is math.

          Is math a social construct - obviously not completely.

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          contriteerudite@lemmy.world
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          The biggest fault of Game theory is that it is biased towards instant utility and short-term rewards. It does not model for scenarios where reduced short-term rewards can lead to greater gains in the long-term.

          In short, decisions made for singular benefit typically have worse long-term results than decisions accounting for collective benefit.

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            nostradavid@programming.dev
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            That’s the point of government: the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force.

            That’s from “Politics as a Vocation” by Max Weber. It’s also why the population needs to beat back if that violence isn’t legitimate (i.e. it’s abusing the population in the first place).

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            • K kazan@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              Of course, morality itself is a social construct, no? Even the foundation itself is shaky.

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              notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip
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              Morality is not a social construct, it’s part and parcel of the social contract.

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              • C contriteerudite@lemmy.world

                The biggest fault of Game theory is that it is biased towards instant utility and short-term rewards. It does not model for scenarios where reduced short-term rewards can lead to greater gains in the long-term.

                In short, decisions made for singular benefit typically have worse long-term results than decisions accounting for collective benefit.

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                explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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                Game theory does model for that. For example an iterated prisoner’s dilemma.

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                • B bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works

                  The news media is pushing the narrative that it was a fake school. Fake art supplies etc. Its REALLY fucking evil. Of course everyone will believe that now.

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                  monkdervierte@lemmy.zip
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                  Who cares about the school. Were the children also fake?

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                  • B bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works

                    The news media is pushing the narrative that it was a fake school. Fake art supplies etc. Its REALLY fucking evil. Of course everyone will believe that now.

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                    nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    what is this in reference to?

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                    • N nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      what is this in reference to?

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                      zenzanzoo@lemmy.world
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                      #14

                      US tomahawking 200 kids at girl school in Iran recently.

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                      • zenzanzoo@lemmy.worldZ zenzanzoo@lemmy.world

                        US tomahawking 200 kids at girl school in Iran recently.

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                        bluegrass_addict@lemmy.ca
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                        didn’t they also double tap to kill the responders and survivors

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                        • C cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          Similarly, a politician can abuse kids with impunity, but you can go to prison for seeing pictures of him doing it (or of others doing the same).

                          I’m not saying that possession of CSAM shouldn’t be illegal, but if we’re not prosecuting the crimes they depict, then is what they depict the crime or is it the knowledge it’s happening and who’s doing it?

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                          redsand@infosec.pub
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                          You just need to familiarize yourself with the concept of blackwhite. Do you know much newspeak?

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                          • nostradavid@programming.devN nostradavid@programming.dev

                            That’s the point of government: the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force.

                            That’s from “Politics as a Vocation” by Max Weber. It’s also why the population needs to beat back if that violence isn’t legitimate (i.e. it’s abusing the population in the first place).

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                            deceptichum@quokk.au
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                            Or dissolve the government and realise offloading societal obligations to use violence to a hierarchical organisation is not the solution.

                            If there must be violence, let it come from the people for the people.

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                            • deceptichum@quokk.auD deceptichum@quokk.au

                              Or dissolve the government and realise offloading societal obligations to use violence to a hierarchical organisation is not the solution.

                              If there must be violence, let it come from the people for the people.

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                              heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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                              Government is like money. Get rid of it and people will create it again to fill the function they need it to fill, so let’s have it do what we need and help instead of harm

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                              • B bluegrass_addict@lemmy.ca

                                didn’t they also double tap to kill the responders and survivors

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                                I just assume the evil sumbitches are doing that on all the bombings now

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                                • M monkdervierte@lemmy.zip

                                  Who cares about the school. Were the children also fake?

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                                  heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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                                  Oh, children don’t look like children on camera you have to paint capybaras.

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                                  • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world

                                    Government is like money. Get rid of it and people will create it again to fill the function they need it to fill, so let’s have it do what we need and help instead of harm

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                                    commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    you’re making that up

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                                    • D defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      It’s easy to get away with crime, though.

                                      Step 1: have parents who are billionaires

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                                      Step two, pick victims who are socially disadvantaged

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                                      • C contriteerudite@lemmy.world

                                        The biggest fault of Game theory is that it is biased towards instant utility and short-term rewards. It does not model for scenarios where reduced short-term rewards can lead to greater gains in the long-term.

                                        In short, decisions made for singular benefit typically have worse long-term results than decisions accounting for collective benefit.

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                                        That’s a failure of that specific model. It just needs more creative mathematicians/theorists

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                                          alpha71@lemmy.world
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                                          Criminal law is basically self interest fully encoded. “Well I don’t want bad things to happen to me, so lets codify them all and make it illegal to do any of them.”

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