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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

    I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

    My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

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    #46

    @tante

    Yes, silly to claim outrage about a non-deterministic thing being non-deterministic in a very slightly different way. It's a bit like giving an output in millimetres to a sum where one of the inputs was "about a mile".

    But I feel I must give the writer credit for the phrase "the saccharine Claude personality stink"!

    #LLMs

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    • pablobm@metalhead.clubP pablobm@metalhead.club

      @tante I'm particularly bewildered at the part about proofreading: so how do people use this stuff for proofreading exactly? Does Gruber accept el Claudillo's decree's^Wedits willy-nilly? "Oh the parrot likes this word better, I guess I'll use it then". Well, then you do deserve being flagged as AI-generated!

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      #47
      @pablobm @tante It’s baffling to me that someone who makes a living from his writing is taking this stance.
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      • pablobm@metalhead.clubP pablobm@metalhead.club

        @tante I'm particularly bewildered at the part about proofreading: so how do people use this stuff for proofreading exactly? Does Gruber accept el Claudillo's decree's^Wedits willy-nilly? "Oh the parrot likes this word better, I guess I'll use it then". Well, then you do deserve being flagged as AI-generated!

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        #48

        @pablobm @tante I made it to here before rolling my eyes

        > serves to show just how little regard the people behind these generated-text fingerprinting schemes have for the actual craft of writing

        I'm not sure it counts as a craft if you outsource it all to a machine

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

          I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

          My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

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          #49

          @tante Also, you want the "best" word? What an unsolvable philosophical predicament to put onto a computer. Saying such things makes it obvious that they do not care about writing, language, or intent.

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          • krnlg@mastodon.socialK krnlg@mastodon.social

            @tante
            To me it's also like, not everything has to be perfectly optimised. How you write *doesn't* have to be perfect. How you live life doesn't have to be optimised.

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            #50

            @krnlg @tante As I like to say, “Be 80% of all you can be. Over-optimized systems are fragile.”

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

              I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

              My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

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              #51

              @tante a perversion of writing? By the perversion of writing machine?

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

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                #52

                @tante I totally identify with the sentiment. When I write, I want to result to reflect my intended meaning as faithfully as possible. I just don't get how you ever expect that from a LLM, even before it starts using acrostic poetry to thread its own copyright through what is ostensibly your writing.

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                • tymwol@hachyderm.ioT tymwol@hachyderm.io

                  @danielaKay @tante you cannot watermark spelling, so it you used it only for spelling, it's a non issue...

                  To be honest, I'd rather be worried it'd be the other way around: they watermark it by using specific words, etc, so it is a bit like people were treating em-dashes as a sign of AI usage, just now it is done on purpose. So same as before you could get accused of using AI because you used an em-dash, now it could be something else. So yeah, it would likely lead to some new problems we never needed.

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                  #53

                  @tymwol

                  In general, there is a massive amount of harm being done by normal numbnuts going "this is clearly AI, look at the [random shit]".

                  Because most of the "telltales" of AI are due not to some "watermark" but to theft.

                  The AI company stole some people's work, and now those people are being accused of using "AI".

                  There are at least two artists on here having to deal with that on the regular, and it must be so infuriating and awful and disspiriting.

                  @danielaKay @tante

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                    I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                    My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

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                    #54

                    @tante
                    I would submit that if you consider the mythical average person and their writing, that an LLM would almost certainly improve that writing

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                    • landa@graz.socialL landa@graz.social

                      @tante

                      > The idea that anything other than my needs should factor into the generation of text for me is patently offensive.

                      and here I thought he writes for his audience. 😉

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                      #55

                      @Landa @tante I think that may be the most telling line in the whole piece.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                        I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                        My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

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                        #56

                        @tante
                        > the very best most precise words

                        Chasing the wrong performance indicator ?

                        ( Watch postgrad thinking skills decline over 3 years, as they master the idiom of the journals )

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                        • caracabe@mastoart.socialC caracabe@mastoart.social

                          @krnlg @tante As I like to say, “Be 80% of all you can be. Over-optimized systems are fragile.”

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                          #57

                          @caracabe @krnlg @tante Be Good Enough
                          http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/GoodEnough

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                          • trashpanda@m.alittlenook.netT trashpanda@m.alittlenook.net

                            @Landa @tante I think that may be the most telling line in the whole piece.

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                            #58

                            @trashpanda

                            There's a lot in that piece that's telling, but yes, that's definitely in the top 2.

                            @tante

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                            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                              RE: https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/117106850045916140

                              I love how this waxes poetically how "The exact words we choose when writing matter. I want any LLM I use to choose the very best, most precise words at every single decision point."

                              My brother in christ: Then you shouldn't be using a stochastic text extruder.

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                              #59

                              Do you think there's a way for LLMs to improve their precision without losing that human touch in writing?

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