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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

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  • n4ch1sm0@mastodon.socialN n4ch1sm0@mastodon.social

    @jwz As much as I dislike the Chromium hegemony, I've since switched to Vivaldi because of Mozilla's tone deaf approach to enabling this AI shit storm bubble.

    There are some amazing Firefox forks, but how much hope can we really have for them if Mozilla is handling their financial setup this poorly?

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    #28

    @n4ch1sm0 @jwz also many firefox fork you may find they cannot fix the inherent issue of compatibility and sandbox security without becoming an hard fork and need much much more money to do it.

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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

      Mozilla is cooked.

      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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      #29

      @jwz
      I told them, I did. I said 'no more AI'.

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      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

        Mozilla is cooked.

        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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        #30

        @jwz

        WTF that ammount is insane.

        And their goal is nonsense.

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        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

          Mozilla is cooked.

          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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          #31

          @jwz That's about 1000 person years of development. So you could get a team of say, 10 people working full time for 100 years, or you could increase the team size up to 100 people working full time for 10 years. That's a lot of actual Firefox development they are throwing away.

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          • abbe98@mastodon.socialA abbe98@mastodon.social

            @jwz according to Mozilla they will spend $130 million on AI bullshit. The $1.4 billion number is their total reserves.

            https://stateof.mozilla.org/ledger/

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            #32

            @abbe98 @jwz
            Why don't they just spend the $130 million on hookers and blow, instead? They'd at least have a good time, without fucking up the browser for users.

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            • greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG greatbigtable@mastodon.social

              @jwz out of curiosity, what is a good, trustworthy, no nonsense upstart web browser these days?

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              #33

              @GreatBigTable @jwz For *some* definition of "good" (but fully satisfying the other criteria), I guess we're all heading back to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwise, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cello_(web_browser) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCSA_Mosaic

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              • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                Mozilla is cooked.

                https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                #34

                @jwz I honestly thought you might have been exaggerating, but then I clicked through to the article...and jesus effing christ, the whole board need to be launched into the sun.

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                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                  Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                  That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                  Mozilla is cooked.

                  https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                  #35

                  @jwz
                  They are not spending 1.4 billion on AI. This would be silly to spend all their money. But they will spend 20% of their annual budget on AI, roughly $120M. Still a lot of money.

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                  • cdamian@rls.socialC cdamian@rls.social

                    @jwz
                    Meanwhile the AI companies are burning the planet to build browsers from scratch as a benchmark.
                    https://cursor.com/blog/scaling-agents

                    This is how we all lose.

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                    #36

                    @cdamian @jwz
                    jayzuz fucking nightmare.

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                    • poujolrost@mstdn.jpP poujolrost@mstdn.jp

                      @jwz

                      WTF that ammount is insane.

                      And their goal is nonsense.

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                      #37

                      @poujolrost
                      That's because it's not the real amount. This headline is wrong.
                      @jwz

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                      • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                        @abbe98 @jwz
                        Why don't they just spend the $130 million on hookers and blow, instead? They'd at least have a good time, without fucking up the browser for users.

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                        #38

                        @brouhaha @abbe98 @jwz or without fucking up the planet *for everyone*.

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                        • csstrowbridge@mastodon.socialC csstrowbridge@mastodon.social

                          @jwz

                          So... I assume people have already researched alternative browsers.

                          Any recommendations.

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                          #39

                          @csstrowbridge @jwz second vivaldi - &, yeah, i know it's built with chrome infrastructure, but they've sworn an anti-AI oath.

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                          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                            Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                            That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                            Mozilla is cooked.

                            https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                            #40

                            @jwz

                            Thanks for reminding me to cancel my recurring Mozilla donation.

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                            • slightlyoff@toot.cafeS slightlyoff@toot.cafe

                              @jwz I honestly thought you might have been exaggerating, but then I clicked through to the article...and jesus effing christ, the whole board need to be launched into the sun.

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                              #41

                              @slightlyoff @jwz When Mozilla crashes along with the AI bubble, maybe the developers worth saving can be rehomed under Servo, as I believe that is organized under the Linux Foundation and funded by the EU Sovereign fund, so there is some structure which could be expanded to cover the need, if primary maintainer ship for Firefox needed to move to a new stable org.

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                              • raven667@hachyderm.ioR raven667@hachyderm.io

                                @slightlyoff @jwz When Mozilla crashes along with the AI bubble, maybe the developers worth saving can be rehomed under Servo, as I believe that is organized under the Linux Foundation and funded by the EU Sovereign fund, so there is some structure which could be expanded to cover the need, if primary maintainer ship for Firefox needed to move to a new stable org.

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                                #42

                                This is like when Sun was failing and people threw as much code as they could over the wall so they could catch it and build around it afterwards, spawning LibreOffice and several ZFS-based storage companies.

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                                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                  Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                  That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                  Mozilla is cooked.

                                  https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                  #43

                                  @jwz Their money comes from Google. They do what Alphabet tell them to do. This is the elephant in the room with Mozilla.

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                                  • earwigplanet@mastodon.socialE earwigplanet@mastodon.social

                                    @jwz What is with their Goatse logo?

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                                    #44

                                    @earwigplanet @jwz Reach inside a gaping asshole and you find... Firefox.

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                                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                      Mozilla is cooked.

                                      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                      #45

                                      @jwz I can't believe you missed the goatse tag

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                                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                        Mozilla is cooked.

                                        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                        #46

                                        @jwz
                                        I would have been shocked if it went any other way at this point.

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                                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                          Mozilla is cooked.

                                          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                          #47

                                          @jwz @mozilla #WTF are you doing? No one wants you to do AI. DO something useful!

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