We've been stealthily building a European (Danish soil) cloud service provider with all the security certifications you might want.

[claushoumann@mastodon.social]

@nielsa @claushc hvilken? Vi må hellere have en snak.

[nickgully@mefi.social]

@nielsa I would like a small instance where I can do smtp in peace, not have it blocked.

[nielsa@mas.to]

@claushc @claushoumann Giv mig gerne lidt mere at gå på: hvad vil du høre mere om og snakke om?

Det er lidt med vilje at jeg ikke deler bredt på sociale medier før vi har noget der virker til den generelle offentlighed, og fordi vi ikke vil vokse hurtigere end vi kan automatisere lige nu.

Send evt en mail på niels@deranged.dk - jeg kan godt blive konkret i mere privat forum

[nielsa@mas.to]

@nickgully Why do your SMTP instances get blocked?

SMTP is usually just a hard problem because the big providers are slow to adopt new servers to their allowlists. Unfortunately hard to act decentralized in that world today, if you want to actually be able to email everyone.

Tell me more! I'll see if there's a technical angle on it we can attack.

[holsta@mastodon.art]

@nielsa Hmm, du får lige en mail fra mig også.

[nils@mastodon.nilswloka.com]

@nielsa For me:

- Breadth and depth of the ecosystem (managed services, tooling, libraries, etc)
- Adoption (being able to hire experts, community support, availability of information, etc)
- Risk management (reliability of the service, longevity, etc)

And I know that some of those arguments are self-fulfilling prophecies and the risk management part is becoming increasingly complex. Still makes it hard to switch.

[nielsa@mas.to]

@nils

Is breadth and depth of the ecosystem used as a general gauge of maturity/healthiness or are you looking for specific managed services/capabilities?

[nielsa@mas.to]

@nils FWIW I think those concerns are very real, and something we have to reckon with — but yeah, also part of why this is hard to break into.

[oschonrock@mastodon.social]

@nielsa

Nice work, I am sure this will be popular.

However, IMO, the top priority for a cloud provider is ...

not to use one.
(as a large enterprisey client)

It's not economical and creates too much lockin. If you are that big you should be doing it yourself. Hire a couple of sysadmins.

(if you are really small, you probably don't need that dynamic scaling blah... unless you are a truly exceptional business)

Sorry, I have been a sceptic of cloud, for 15yrs. I don't get the value prop.

[nielsa@mas.to]

@oschonrock Yesss, you are very right! We come feom the world of helping enterprises/public sector with exactly that... the goal is alao to use what we are doing here via open source contribs to make better practices more easily available.

It is in our interesto to make it require fewer personhours to run a cluster. That benefit transfers to larger companies running their own, too.

[nickgully@mefi.social]

@nielsa I have a small mail server on the same ipv4 address for the last two decades. I have looked for alternate European vps, but most do not allow normal mail traffic dute to UCE. An understandable situation. I would hope for electronic independence a European VPS might allow email with suitable attribution and documentation about the owner and them being responsible.

So my ask would be the provider maintain a respectable address block, and have channels of communication to the big providers. Linode has done a great job at this, even for small accounts.

[claushoumann@mastodon.social]

@nielsa @claushc fik du min e-mail?

[nielsa@mas.to]

@claushc @claushoumann Yes - travl dag, vender retur senest i morgen