Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

[ariarhythmic@ohai.social]

@fj that is not a car

[xs4me2@mastodon.social]

@fj

Simply because they are a hazard.

Dangerous, not needed and not suited for European roads and cities.

[geomaster337@mastodon.social]

@fj I love how the examples are among each brand’s smallest pickup trucks

[notecharlie@social.bigcavemaps.com]

@fj a fair comparison would be with the high-roof mercedes sprinter. Of course, the shortest sprinter van isn't even sold in the US, and is still some 30cm narrower than the F-SuperDuty.

Though I still won't defend how absurdly large our cars are. I want something affordable the size of the old jeep cherokee or a golf estate, and it just doesn't exist on the new market.

[marjolica@social.linux.pizza]

@fj they aren't cars, probably not even trucks, they are HGVs and if we did allow them on our roads you should need a HGV licence to drive them.

[catdragon@mastodon.world]

@reloadedhead @richlv @fj cities and suburban areas = pedestrians.
It used to be that if you unfortunate enough to be hit by a truck it would probably be a survival accident. After all the mass of the grill really only came up a little bit over your hip. Now, if you’re hit by a truck, you’re going to be pulverized. I live in the US and it’s a nightmare. I absolutely will not ride a bicycle in my town anymore because I would be asking to die.

[passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social]

@starlily @mwyman @fj not enough. We got assholes spending $10k to get the emissions devices removed so they can “roll coal” on the libs. It’ll go to gas rations and they’ll find some way to bypass it.

[catdragon@mastodon.world]

@mbirth @reloadedhead @fj can we not use that as a slur?

[bleuyank@mastodon.social]

@fj Completely agree, although European vehicles keep creeping larger and larger. Car shopping recently and I was surprised at how big a Peugeot 3008 had gotten. Width wise, it's 2 cm narrower than a Ford Ranger.

[sanzky@masto.es]

@disco3000 I really like the polestar 2 but it's outside my budget. unfortunately there are very little sedans/estates EVs. I checked the BYD seal but is also super long and doest not fit on my garage.

[passwordsarehard4@mastodon.social]

@wronglang @fj the 350 isn’t the top either. Shaq has a custom F650 and I see F550’s with flatbeds pulling gooseneck campers fairly often.

[incredibish@mastodon.green]

@fj

Cars keep getting bigger, even here in the uk. Roads, on the other hand, refuse to widen and simply degrade faster because of the excessive burden of the vehicles' weight.

Engine cc and fuel economy are already largely constrained by fuel duty. Let's begin making VED decisions based on vehicle mass. Promote smaller cars and motorcycles over tanks.

[wronglang@bayes.club]

@passwordsarehard4 @fj oh God, I must've blanked that out of my brain, I think 350s are the biggest I regularly see but I know what you're talking about with the campers. Ugh.

[sir_osis_of_liver@beige.party]

@geomaster337 @fj

In fairness, the F350 pictured is about as large as most people would get for personal use.

The Ford Maverick is far smaller and has seen high demand. The hybrid version is remarkably efficient.

[cellomomoncars@mastodon.social]

@uint8_t @ghard @simon_brooke @fj

So far, zero emission vehicles have just about zero tax in NL, at sale. I don't know about the road tax.

[permanent_dinner@mstdn.party]

@fj I'm an American who lives in the woods. Usually this kind of truck's target market. I'd much rather have something like an aussie ute or toyota hilux.

[foobarsoft@mastodon.social]

@sanzky @fj As an American the ranger is tiny. There are bigger trucks than the F-150. But even compared to that it’s tiny.

I’m NOT defending it. I want these monstrosities off our roads so I can see again and not feel like I’m going to be crushed by buildings.

Hold strong.

[notecharlie@social.bigcavemaps.com]

@fj the truly crazy thing to me is that most of these massive vehicles have a negligible fuel economy penalty compared to smaller trucks. 15-20mpg (~12 L/100km) is pretty much universal across the board. My 1983 ford ranger gets that. A brand new F150 gets that. And when you start looking at compact SUVs and crossovers, it doesn't get much better. So there's no incentive to get a "less capable" vehicle, and won't be until gas is $8/gal.

[threesigma@mastodon.online]

@MichaelPorter @reloadedhead @richlv @fj
I still feel that the 80s decision to classify SUVs as light vehicles was a big step down that slippery slope.

[ryanteck@fosstodon.org]

@fj American trucks are bloody massive but comparing it to a Twingo from 1998 is a little disingenuous.

The three trucks also mentioned (F-150, Silverado and 1500) are also much smaller than the F-350 you used too.

More realistic comparison, Dacia Sandero (apparently best selling car in EU) vs Silverado.

Still massive in comparison, but not the "wow it's gigantic" in comparison either.