Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅♂️
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@richlv @fj do you mean they are more dangerous due to the size and potential damage in an accident?
I am genuinely asking, because I come from a land in which having pick-ups is very common in rural areas for work and stuff, but not that common in urban environments, because surely nobody wants to drive that in narrow streets!
@reloadedhead @richlv @fj cities and suburban areas = pedestrians.
It used to be that if you unfortunate enough to be hit by a truck it would probably be a survival accident. After all the mass of the grill really only came up a little bit over your hip. Now, if you’re hit by a truck, you’re going to be pulverized. I live in the US and it’s a nightmare. I absolutely will not ride a bicycle in my town anymore because I would be asking to die. -
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@mbirth @reloadedhead @fj can we not use that as a slur?
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj Completely agree, although European vehicles keep creeping larger and larger. Car shopping recently and I was surprised at how big a Peugeot 3008 had gotten. Width wise, it's 2 cm narrower than a Ford Ranger.
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@mikaeleiman @fj thats why I like my Polestar 2 so much. 4,6m is shorter than most competitors, still ride is perfect and the width is also on the narrow side. The EV9 window line is above my roof 🫣
@disco3000 I really like the polestar 2 but it's outside my budget. unfortunately there are very little sedans/estates EVs. I checked the BYD seal but is also super long and doest not fit on my garage.
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@fj incredible cultural insensitivity from Brussels, don't they know that the F150 is Ford's *smallest* truck in that line?
Edit: for context the f-350 is 6.8 m long and 2.4 m wide, it's a common vanity truck in the US, I often see them without a scratch and with no dirt as though they'd never left the pavement (ah, the link is for the f-350 so ok)
@wronglang @fj the 350 isn’t the top either. Shaq has a custom F650 and I see F550’s with flatbeds pulling gooseneck campers fairly often.
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
Cars keep getting bigger, even here in the uk. Roads, on the other hand, refuse to widen and simply degrade faster because of the excessive burden of the vehicles' weight.
Engine cc and fuel economy are already largely constrained by fuel duty. Let's begin making VED decisions based on vehicle mass. Promote smaller cars and motorcycles over tanks.
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@wronglang @fj the 350 isn’t the top either. Shaq has a custom F650 and I see F550’s with flatbeds pulling gooseneck campers fairly often.
@passwordsarehard4 @fj oh God, I must've blanked that out of my brain, I think 350s are the biggest I regularly see but I know what you're talking about with the campers. Ugh.
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@fj I love how the examples are among each brand’s smallest pickup trucks
In fairness, the F350 pictured is about as large as most people would get for personal use.
The Ford Maverick is far smaller and has seen high demand. The hybrid version is remarkably efficient.
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@ghard @simon_brooke @CelloMomOnCars @fj EVs are somewhat heavier but not by much. our car has 78 kWh (nominal) NMC battery capacity and that’s like 360 kg. The electric drivetrain is lighter weight than an ICE would be with gearbox and clutch and cooling and all the other stuff. Tank and fuel also weighs some, so I’d expect a 100-200 kg mass penalty for being BEV instead of petrol (can’t compare this model directly, no ICE option)
@uint8_t @ghard @simon_brooke @fj
So far, zero emission vehicles have just about zero tax in NL, at sale. I don't know about the road tax.
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj I'm an American who lives in the woods. Usually this kind of truck's target market. I'd much rather have something like an aussie ute or toyota hilux.
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@fj I sometimes see the Ford Ranger, which is a "small" pickup per US standards and it's already ridiculously large. I hope we never see those monstrosities here.
But UVDL will UVDL and she might cave to them
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@fj a fair comparison would be with the high-roof mercedes sprinter. Of course, the shortest sprinter van isn't even sold in the US, and is still some 30cm narrower than the F-SuperDuty.
Though I still won't defend how absurdly large our cars are. I want something affordable the size of the old jeep cherokee or a golf estate, and it just doesn't exist on the new market.
@fj the truly crazy thing to me is that most of these massive vehicles have a negligible fuel economy penalty compared to smaller trucks. 15-20mpg (~12 L/100km) is pretty much universal across the board. My 1983 ford ranger gets that. A brand new F150 gets that. And when you start looking at compact SUVs and crossovers, it doesn't get much better. So there's no incentive to get a "less capable" vehicle, and won't be until gas is $8/gal.
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@ThreeSigma @richlv @fj @reloadedhead A little old, but still relevant: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution
@MichaelPorter @reloadedhead @richlv @fj
I still feel that the 80s decision to classify SUVs as light vehicles was a big step down that slippery slope. -
Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj American trucks are bloody massive but comparing it to a Twingo from 1998 is a little disingenuous.
The three trucks also mentioned (F-150, Silverado and 1500) are also much smaller than the F-350 you used too.
More realistic comparison, Dacia Sandero (apparently best selling car in EU) vs Silverado.
Still massive in comparison, but not the "wow it's gigantic" in comparison either.
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@ThreeSigma @richlv @fj @reloadedhead A little old, but still relevant: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution
@MichaelPorter @reloadedhead @richlv @fj (article paywalled)
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj Nice app. I always wanted to know how far Europe is copying USA.
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@MichaelPorter @reloadedhead @richlv @fj (article paywalled)
@ThreeSigma @reloadedhead @richlv @fj Odd, I didn't have trouble reading it (not a subscriber). Do they have a monthly limit that you ran into, maybe?
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@disco3000 if only someone made a not-huge seven seat car… Sigh.
They made seven/eight seat yet still smallish "station wagons" sixty years ago and I still see plenty of that format driving around now. Who is supposedly stopping anyone building those now, exactly?
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@fj why not let people decide if they want such a large vehicle or not?
@reloadedhead @fj I agree. We don't want them.
So that's decided...
