Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets
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@benroyce @aprilfollies @lynfox hmmm. With many millions of people experiencing violence on a constant basis here, Congress and the POTUS ignoring our will, I’m wondering what good is maintaining “popular sentiment” as a protester?
well you want the largest turnout
if it's peaceful a lot turn out
if it's violent, people avoid it
the number of quality streetfighters is quite small
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@benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox A bunch of the people who knew how destructive and terrible Pissed Off Americans could be... who spent DECADES going "Let's see if we can just contain these couple of grumps and trust these folks who say they have it handled and know how to keep 'em calm" are now glowing Red, White, and Blue with the flames of apoplexy at the sheer incompetence and unbridled pettyness.
All the "When they go low we go high" folks are now basically going "High road's closed."
@epilonious @benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox It was a nice, even good slogan, but the problem is ultimately it only works in civil terms . When we cease to be civil, then destructive force requires counter force. The good slogans can return once civility returns.
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perhaps but i'm not interested in watching the experiment play out. we need to end the experiment early
1000% agree
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@PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
that's right
no uprising happens just because someone starts rioting. why are they rioting? what do they stand for? who knows
if people vote, and then the vote is denied, and the people rise up: absolutely everyone is crystal clear as to what is happening and why. so people join in, because they know the message being delivered
so we have to vote first. otherwise there is no coherency of meaning
@benroyce @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox People being executed on the street for no reason isn't enough of a cause?? We're just supposed to let that keep happening for ten months until the election??? There won't be anyone left to vote against him!
If people aren't willing to rise up over their friends, family, and neighbors being killed or kidnapped and tortured then I doubt an election is gonna be the thing that does it. I doubt they'll be *cancelled* anyway, even North Korea still has "elections". So it'll be easy for the people who want to ignore what is happening to pretend that the election was fair, to pretend that the ICE agents looking over their shoulders at the polls are legitimate security...if they can ignore folks being shot in the face then they can certainly ignore folks being turned away (or hauled away in cuffs) at the polls.
We've been hearing that the next election is the only chance to stop Trump for nearly a decade now and it's only helped them consolidate their power. The time to stop this motherfucker is NOW, not next fucking year!
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right but we can still vote and elect dems to control congress and freeze his agenda
this whole sentiment "the usa is already nazi germany" is self-defeating: you want trump to lose, right? so why act like he already won everything? trump is not untouchable. why act like he is? do you want to help trump? i don't think so, but that's what your words are doing because you're presenting a fallacious rationale that voting doesn't matter anymore. it still matters
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@benroyce I was reminded by the radio news this morning that you have the Olympics to boycott in 2028 as well if nothing changes...
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@benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox Also, even under the premise that voting is meaningless, and Americans have to uprise instead: Voting, and getting everybody to vote is the best way to start an uprising. If millions of people vote and their votes are stolen, then they'll be motivated to uprise. If they stay home thinking their votes don't matter, and then the votes cast don't matter, all they'll do is say "I told you so".
@PaulaToThePeople @benroyce @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox The uprising will be required if the current regime is still in place and the 2026 selection is nullified to maintain Humpty’s status quo. At this point. ‘talking’ would mean little. It would be time to counter force with force, it would be the only avenue left.
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@benroyce @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox People being executed on the street for no reason isn't enough of a cause?? We're just supposed to let that keep happening for ten months until the election??? There won't be anyone left to vote against him!
If people aren't willing to rise up over their friends, family, and neighbors being killed or kidnapped and tortured then I doubt an election is gonna be the thing that does it. I doubt they'll be *cancelled* anyway, even North Korea still has "elections". So it'll be easy for the people who want to ignore what is happening to pretend that the election was fair, to pretend that the ICE agents looking over their shoulders at the polls are legitimate security...if they can ignore folks being shot in the face then they can certainly ignore folks being turned away (or hauled away in cuffs) at the polls.
We've been hearing that the next election is the only chance to stop Trump for nearly a decade now and it's only helped them consolidate their power. The time to stop this motherfucker is NOW, not next fucking year!
@admin @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
fine
tell me how
and whatever you come up with, voting is just another tool to get that done
so we'll do what you say *and* vote
a vote isn't magic unicorns and rainbows
nobody said that so you don't have to counter that impression because no one serious believes that
it's just a tool, amongst a whole repertoire of tools, in a larger struggle
that's it
and use all your tools
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@benroyce There is also a european wide campaign going to migrate away from US big tech. That one is going to hurt even more.
So far I've gotten rid of the streaming services, the social media, Microsoft and amazon. I'm currently working on leaving Google but that one is a bit more tricky.Im doing it to, but solo. That's why I landed on Mastodon.
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that's not true
if i am left leaning, i prefer the 3rd party candidate, but if that candidate doesn't win, i certainly don't want trump
but i get trump, because of the way the voting system works, because i voted 3rd party
it's just math, in our sucky fptp voting system
So, you're saying that I shouldn't vote MY conscience, I shouldn't vote for the candidate that I believe will do the best job in office, simply so that you get your way in the election?
Essentially, you're asking me to vote the way you dictate, instead of the way I feel. Therein lies the fallacy.
The idea that my third party vote "divides" one side or the other is fallacious. My vote was never with your candidate, or the candidate you hate in the first place. Noting gets divided.
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the democrats fucking suck
replace them with young leftists
show up in the primaries
but just not voting and having no transition means you're just handing more to maga. and even less will visit the driftless
That's entirely correct. The USA hasn't seen a leftist party in a long time. The sentiment is there.
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@admin @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
fine
tell me how
and whatever you come up with, voting is just another tool to get that done
so we'll do what you say *and* vote
a vote isn't magic unicorns and rainbows
nobody said that so you don't have to counter that impression because no one serious believes that
it's just a tool, amongst a whole repertoire of tools, in a larger struggle
that's it
and use all your tools
@benroyce @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox Minneapolis is currently showing us how. Follow their lead. General strike starts in a few days.
Yes, voting is a tool. One of many. And not one we have the luxury of focusing on right now. We can worry about that in a few months once we've managed to turn things around a bit. If we can't do that then it's not gonna matter.
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So, you're saying that I shouldn't vote MY conscience, I shouldn't vote for the candidate that I believe will do the best job in office, simply so that you get your way in the election?
Essentially, you're asking me to vote the way you dictate, instead of the way I feel. Therein lies the fallacy.
The idea that my third party vote "divides" one side or the other is fallacious. My vote was never with your candidate, or the candidate you hate in the first place. Noting gets divided.
the problem is in fptp you can't vote your conscience, you also have to use strategy
it isn't about what i want
if you're playing a game of chess, do you imagine you have 5 queen pieces on the board? no. it doesn't work that way
same with voting 3rd party
it just divides the left and trump wins. you can't imagine it does anything else. it's just the way the voting system works
don't shoot the messenger
i'm not trying to convince you of my opinion, i'm describing reality to you
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i don't think canadians are ceasing to come because i got on social media and said the usa sucks
i do think canadians are ceasing to come because an orange turd got on social media and threatened to annex them
the question is why the orange turd can do that
and the answer is because enough couldn't be bothered to vote, and enough are ignorants who love bigotry, that he is in power
it's not anything we control anymore
we had control, and we blew it
we better vote next time
So stipulated. What happened to the Rule of Law? The sniggering of SCOTUS, allowing Trump to issue sweeping pardons for Jan 5 - surrounded by rogues and the ghost of Epstein.
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@pascaline @benroyce I struggle to sew now because it was so gendered in school. I'd rather they taught ALL of us to knit and sew....but we did a little sampler work once but it wasm't a thing.
Also being 'knot blind' doesn't help. It's not exactly dyspraxia but something like that, I can't tie knots at all, ties are a problem.
Yes, much better to teach all children the same, we need so many skills and it's fun to learn, and to discover what we like. To be able to choose from 'it all' would be great.
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@dnkboston @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox
unfortunately, there is a lot of weak will and mindless cynicism out there
these people don't seem to understand that their own attitude is willing submission to fascism
or they are troll psyop to suppress the left vote with learned helplessness
i can never tell
@benroyce @dnkboston @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox A a lot of self-serving STUPID out there. “I didn’t vote for the Democrat because he gave too much stuff away to unworthy people. So in response, I’ll vote for the fascist white guy who will give me stuff, never mind that I’ll lose my civil rights in the process, because I’m unfamiliar with the concept of double edge swords.”
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right but we can still vote and elect dems to control congress and freeze his agenda
this whole sentiment "the usa is already nazi germany" is self-defeating: you want trump to lose, right? so why act like he already won everything? trump is not untouchable. why act like he is? do you want to help trump? i don't think so, but that's what your words are doing because you're presenting a fallacious rationale that voting doesn't matter anymore. it still matters
@benroyce And as a German, I would like to add: Even in Nazi Germany we had resisting people when Hitler was already in power. The fact that some assassination attempts unfortunately failed does not mean that they were not attempted. The fact that people hid those who were being persecuted at the risk of their own lives does not mean that they did not do so. But the fact that at some point the Nazis gained the upper hand and the majority and murdered people in the
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@dnkboston @benroyce @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox agreed. And it's been a media, or at least a good part of the media, that has been promoting the 'they're all the same so why bother' message for a long time now.
@capnthommo @dnkboston @benroyce @PaulaToThePeople @bazcook @ikuturso @lynfox You must always question the motivation of equivalence arguments. Not saying you haven’t.
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the problem is in fptp you can't vote your conscience, you also have to use strategy
it isn't about what i want
if you're playing a game of chess, do you imagine you have 5 queen pieces on the board? no. it doesn't work that way
same with voting 3rd party
it just divides the left and trump wins. you can't imagine it does anything else. it's just the way the voting system works
don't shoot the messenger
i'm not trying to convince you of my opinion, i'm describing reality to you
That's the thing... I only need to use strategy in order to force my viewpoint and candidate on the rest of the country.
I'm not trying to be insulting, but thinking like that is religious in nature, or even cult-like. "Christians" wanting to force the rest of the world to live by their values, for exaample.. They use "strategy" in the same manner you propose in order to influence government.
The true solution is for individuals to vote for themselves-or we get where we're at now.
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@benroyce And as a German, I would like to add: Even in Nazi Germany we had resisting people when Hitler was already in power. The fact that some assassination attempts unfortunately failed does not mean that they were not attempted. The fact that people hid those who were being persecuted at the risk of their own lives does not mean that they did not do so. But the fact that at some point the Nazis gained the upper hand and the majority and murdered people in the
@benroyce resistance was partly due to the procrastinators, the silent ones, the do-nothings. The people who talked down the resistance or simply resigned themselves to the system.
A fascist system does not install solely because of ardent supporters. It also grows with the help of those who want to minimise resistance, who remain silent and look away.
