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  • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

    THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY IT JUST RUNS AS ROOT. That can't be right. It just can't. It must be a VM within a VM.

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    #117

    @jonny jonny please

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    • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

      oh for heaven's sake the entire thing is quite literally cron tasks and bash scripts

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      #118

      @jonny this is so reassuring to me as I've been learning to code by making little bash scripts and I've wondered like, should I maybe get into something more powerful and portable like Python? But no, bash is fine, apparently

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      • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

        THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY IT JUST RUNS AS ROOT. That can't be right. It just can't. It must be a VM within a VM.

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        #119

        @jonny did you ask it to rm -rf / ?

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        • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

          OH what's this???

          /etc/hatch/env

          hmm a feature flag labeled as a "killswitch" for proxying requests to anthropic is certainly interesting to seeeeeeeeeeeee in meta's big AI bet.

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          #120

          @jonny The way the comment is worded I don't think enabling this would relay anything anywhere - note the "Meta-internal proxy". It's probably only intended to be used inside their network, probably meant as an override for internal development.

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          • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

            OH what's this???

            /etc/hatch/env

            hmm a feature flag labeled as a "killswitch" for proxying requests to anthropic is certainly interesting to seeeeeeeeeeeee in meta's big AI bet.

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            #121

            @jonny did they really codename this thing “Jarvis”? What dorks.

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              #122

              @desantis @jonny they likely just have Claude (et al.) write all this.

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              • skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS skjeggtroll@mastodon.online

                @jonny

                I suppose one might say that the filesystem 'escaped containment'.

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                #123

                @skjeggtroll @jonny The containment only has two walls and half the roof. It's difficult to avoid escaping it inadvertently. 🙂

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                • tsturm@famichiki.jpT tsturm@famichiki.jp

                  @jonny Wait. They just hardcoded a long list of "ideas"? WTF?

                  This is just Eliza on stilts.

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                  #124

                  @tsturm @jonny
                  This is very similar to what Designers call “Wizard of Oz” prototypes. This a-muse-ingly has the same vibe.
                  - https://www.nngroup.com/articles/wizard-of-oz/
                  - https://ixdf.org/literature/topics/wizard-of-oz-prototypes

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                  • djm62@beige.partyD djm62@beige.party

                    @jonny
                    ‘Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script’ is a threat to be taken literally huh?

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                    #125

                    @djm62 Uh, some of my former colleagues were replaced by a surprisingly small shell script.
                    At least they (mostly) got to just move elsewhere in the company.
                    @jonny

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                    • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

                      @jonny did they really codename this thing “Jarvis”? What dorks.

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                      #126

                      @tedmielczarek @jonny Mr Cocker would be most offended surely

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                      • number137@mastodon.socialN number137@mastodon.social

                        @jonny tar'ing the whole system fs sounds a bit cumbersome - can you ask Muse, if it can create for you a user on the machine, add it to wheel/sudo and open ssh for you? 🤔

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                        #127

                        @number137 @jonny In the before times, we did this with "shellcode".

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                        • djm62@beige.partyD djm62@beige.party

                          @jonny
                          ‘Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script’ is a threat to be taken literally huh?

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                          #128

                          @djm62 @jonny In the before times, we did this with a "LART".

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                          • mx_shankly@masto.esM mx_shankly@masto.es

                            @jonny how convenient it is that Messenger no longer uses E2E encryption since May this year. This is creepy as fuck

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                            #129

                            @Mx_Shankly @jonny Did You Know? The WhatsApp privacy policy is separate from the wider Meta/Facebook one, last I checked anyway

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_You_Hear_What_I_Hear%3F

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                            • varx@cybersecurity.theaterV varx@cybersecurity.theater

                              @zzt @jonny I think this tells us that "recursion" is a euphemism for a sex thing, for AIs.

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                              #130

                              @varx @zzt @jonny You mean like this? https://www.dalipaintings.com/young-virgin-auto-sodomized-by-her-own-chastity.jsp

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                              • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                THE FUCKING "CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTIONS" IDEA THAT WON OVER THE NYTIMES JOURNALIST IS FUCKING HARDCODED. ALL THE IDEAS ARE FUCKING HARDCODED. AGI IS HERE BABY!!!!!!

                                #muse #meta #AIIsGoingGreat #AGI #AGITODAYBABY

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                                #131

                                @jonny they may be on to something with that whole "decide what a program's capabilities should be and explicitly author support to enable it to provide those capabilities" idea

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                                • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                  ah yes, here we are. the largest companies in the world releasing a flagship product they are betting their entire competitiveness on that is built on bash scripts that have hardcoded string interpolation python scripts and in fact hardcoded string interpolated bash scripts that seems to be the machinery that manages runaway agent spawning and concurrency.

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                                  #132
                                  @jonny I've seen a few AI-generated bash scripts that just do `python3 <<EOF` all the time.
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                                  • bms@mastodon.bsd.cafeB bms@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                    @Mx_Shankly @jonny Did You Know? The WhatsApp privacy policy is separate from the wider Meta/Facebook one, last I checked anyway

                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_You_Hear_What_I_Hear%3F

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                                    #133

                                    @bms
                                    Yes. I fail to see how WhatsApp relates to this thread, though, other than being one of Meta's apps
                                    @jonny

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                                    • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                      ah yes, here we are. the largest companies in the world releasing a flagship product they are betting their entire competitiveness on that is built on bash scripts that have hardcoded string interpolation python scripts and in fact hardcoded string interpolated bash scripts that seems to be the machinery that manages runaway agent spawning and concurrency.

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                                      #134

                                      @jonny When you listend to the "this should've been a shell script" people, then encounter a problem that requires a real programming language.

                                      I don't think there's a (better) race-condition free way to get this specific behavior from within a shell script, because it doesn't give you sufficient control over how files are opened.

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                                      • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                        i am positive that i can get this thing to dump its database schema

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                                        #135

                                        @jonny :anticipation:

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                                        • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                          It is just proactively suggesting that I ask it to dump its environment, this is the most gullible LLM surface I have seen since gpt 4 era

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                                          #136

                                          @jonny "it reads right-to-left, starting on the left and proceeding to the right"

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