1. Debian Developer resigns from the project in response to the recent vote to allow generative AI use within Debian.2.
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@msbellows @AlexsandraSmart @jik All fair criticisms, and ones that I hope will apply less in time with local inference, ethically-sourced models, etc. The technology is definitely in a "fetal stem cell" period of its existence.
@mogul
At this point such an evolution should begin to appear, yet it doesn't. Quite the opposite actually. To go further on the biological comparison, it's more of a cancer that has spread everywhere and is killing its host.
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@benjamineskola @jik "We hate power drills so you have to promise to not use power drills while donating your time/skills to build this community center, also we're never gonna actually check that you're not using a power drills."
@MeaningfulBits
Debian developpers already agree to unverifiable conditions on their code: that they have copyright on it. And that, while as unverifiable as AI tainting, has never bothered anyone.
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@bignose @jik false equivalency aside. I rather label the person submitting the code responsible for w/e fuck ups come out of it instead of blaming the tool.
A local hobby model crossing off my TODO list and rubber ducking doesn't fit your narrative.
Yes children making shoes are bad, should I stop wearing shoes or jail the ceo?
Yes cancer causing material shouldn't be in our homes should I stop using insulation or jail the builder who put bad product in homes.
@MeaningfulBits
Oh, so you want to jail Altman, Amodei and friends? Cool, I'm with you
But the very first step is to stop using such products yourself once you know they were made by children or cause cancer. Even of society is slower to take the appropriate measures.
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@mogul
At this point such an evolution should begin to appear, yet it doesn't. Quite the opposite actually. To go further on the biological comparison, it's more of a cancer that has spread everywhere and is killing its host.
@msbellows @AlexsandraSmart @jik@RLetot @mogul @AlexsandraSmart @jik Yeah, my sense is that the prospect of Arnold being nice in Terminator 2 doesn't make up for the harm Skynet does in Terminator 1. I'd like AI to stop doing harm now, please.
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@MeaningfulBits
Oh, so you want to jail Altman, Amodei and friends? Cool, I'm with youBut the very first step is to stop using such products yourself once you know they were made by children or cause cancer. Even of society is slower to take the appropriate measures.
@bignose @jik@RLetot @bignose @jik yes I want to jail all irresponsible ceos. I can separate a tool and unethical companies that try to sell them. I'd be happy using AI that was 1/100000 less "powerful" for the foreseeable future if it was local, open, and free. Just banning a tool seems like over reach. Maybe get more specific, No AI use from the OpenAI?
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@jik this is all just accepted abuse by debian which truly shows their hypocrisy.
fuck them, and fuck their supposed accomplishments. burn all your goodwill away you fascist fucktards
Grammar and punctuation, please.
You omitted a full stop, and I'm far from impressed by the absence of uppercase. I hope that you're not involved in code review.
<https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1vzqns8/comment/p6liqiy/?context=1>
#punctuationpolice #grammarpolice #AI
Cc @jik
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@RLetot @bignose @jik yes I want to jail all irresponsible ceos. I can separate a tool and unethical companies that try to sell them. I'd be happy using AI that was 1/100000 less "powerful" for the foreseeable future if it was local, open, and free. Just banning a tool seems like over reach. Maybe get more specific, No AI use from the OpenAI?
@MeaningfulBits
No AI use, then adapt the rule if and when such a tool happens? A GR can be amended when conditions change.
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Grammar and punctuation, please.
You omitted a full stop, and I'm far from impressed by the absence of uppercase. I hope that you're not involved in code review.
<https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1vzqns8/comment/p6liqiy/?context=1>
#punctuationpolice #grammarpolice #AI
Cc @jik
@grahamperrin @cyberquixote Wowza, are you really still not aware in this day and age how much of a total asshole move it is to correct people's spelling and grammar in ephemeral social media posts and judge their competence based on it?
I mean, really now, get a life.
You get one chance to unreservedly apologize here. Anything else will result in an immediate block.
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
Centrist Dads have entered the chat
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@grahamperrin @cyberquixote Wowza, are you really still not aware in this day and age how much of a total asshole move it is to correct people's spelling and grammar in ephemeral social media posts and judge their competence based on it?
I mean, really now, get a life.
You get one chance to unreservedly apologize here. Anything else will result in an immediate block.
Sheesh.I'm hardly likely to adjust my attitude with regard to a post that uses abusive words such as "fuck", "fuck", "fascist", and "fucktards" to complain about abuse.
If they can't take the heat, don't f f f f in the kitchen.
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@stuartl @usul @fabi1cazenave @jik if my wifi and suspend worked ...
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
@mogul @msbellows @jik centrist equivocation is very stupid and a waste of everyone else's time
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
i admire your bravery in not having an opinion
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I'm hardly likely to adjust my attitude with regard to a post that uses abusive words such as "fuck", "fuck", "fascist", and "fucktards" to complain about abuse.
If they can't take the heat, don't f f f f in the kitchen.
@grahamperrin ok then. Bye, asshole. *plonk*
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@AlexsandraSmart @msbellows @jik I'm not doubting that. But I'm also seeing people opposed to AI apply use and/or tolerance of AI as purity tests for projects, people, and purpose, and rejecting any association with anyone who fails their test because of the people off the deep end you're talking about.
@mogul @AlexsandraSmart @msbellows @jik I keep seeing people opposed to E. coli treat the presence of E. coli in food as some kind of purity test for kitchen staff, restaurants, and suppliers, and refusing to eat food from those that fail that test... they're totally off the deep end
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@jik thank you!
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
@mogul @msbellows @jik this is the most annoying trope of an argument. People are against AI for good specific reasons. You're engaging in really rude nytimes-levels of both-sidesing.
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@benjamineskola @jik "We hate power drills so you have to promise to not use power drills while donating your time/skills to build this community center, also we're never gonna actually check that you're not using a power drills."
@MeaningfulBits @benjamineskola @jik Ah the AI-bro lame «it is only a tool like a power drill» nonsense. Anything to defend the stochastic parroting of other people’s content.
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@benjamineskola @jik "We hate power drills so you have to promise to not use power drills while donating your time/skills to build this community center, also we're never gonna actually check that you're not using a power drills."
@MeaningfulBits @benjamineskola @jik AI enthusiasts cannot stop themselves from bragging about the AI that they use.
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@jik tone of the message aside. How is #Debian supposed to ban AI assisted coding or only include human generated #code?
I'm not defending what or how the guy said what he said, it was terrible antisocial nerd cringe.
But shouldn't we be focusing on the quality of the code submissions? How much can AI touch code I submitted? If I use it to keep my TODO list or as a rubber duck should my code be excluded?
I'm asking in good faith, not trolling.
@MeaningfulBits for what it's worth, yesterday I wrote:
"IMHO the author's extreme references to fascism don't do him any favours, because when I think of fascism, I think of extremes such as genocide and the murders of millions of people. …"
That was with regard to the public announcement from the person who retired – <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/08/msg00318.html>.
Not the person who was subsequently blocked.
