Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe?
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@webjac @EUCommission if the tech sector were competitive, if we had 100s of smartphone operating systems to choose from, on equal grounds, then what you're saying could make sense
however, this is not the world we live in. apple and google have a shared monopoly on smartphone operating systems@webjac @EUCommission would also say that what apple is doing undermines the free market. without interoperability, companies can themselves restrict the market
it's not only government regulations that can go against free market, the companies themselves can
(this doesn't mean i think the free market is a good idea, btw. i am opposed to capitalism as a whole. but if i were forced to think in a more capitalist way, this is what i would say) -
@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission are you dumb ?
it's their job to protect consumer from those predatory move, so your own post is useless.
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That's a lot of words to say that you don't know what a 'free market' actually is. Hint: it's not the same as an unregulated market and, in general, unregulated markets are rarely free markets.
@david_chisnall @webjac @EUCommission it's a lot of words to say that you don't understand the concept of free market.
Monopoly behaviors that Apple and Google do is not "free market", as they prevent it to self regulate.
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac
Oh, don't mind me. I'm just here for the ratio...
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@Germo @EUCommission I agree, the spirit is fine. But I'm choosing by choosing to buy their (limited) product. let them offer it the way they want to and the market will vote with their wallet. Regulators are not needed here.
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@webjac @EUCommission Yeah, that's not how regulations work bub.
It's our choice if we want to buy food laced with lead and cadmium, if I want to its my choice! /s
Apple *could* have met the EUs regulations, they chose not to out of contempt for all Europeans because they don't want to be regulated, full stop.
The cult of Apple is almost as stomach turning as the cult of Elon.
@Javensbukan @EUCommission That's the problem. In this case the regulation is not needed from my point of view. We can differ on that of course
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@EUCommission how is this different from Gemini on Pixel phones which are allowed and sold in the EU?
@felipecerda @EUCommission the APIs that Siri AI is using, are not available to 3rd party vendors
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@EUCommission how is this different from Gemini on Pixel phones which are allowed and sold in the EU?
@felipecerda @EUCommission you can replace Gemini by Perplexity and ChatGPT on Android. Not Mistral yet
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️Apple's endgame is never to comply with the EU Commission, but rather wait for enough people to complain to the EU Commission to change the rules.
That is the endgame.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission @gklka Hey, you should tell this to the three people using any “alternative marketplace” on iOS.
As an Apple user, I don’t care who says what. I buy Apple products because of their functionality and seamless integration. These regulations are negatively impacting the user experience of this integration, which you clearly have no fucking clue about. Nobody asked you to disrupt this with any regulations.
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission 100% wrong. It is precisely the job of the EU to regulate. Did you miss the point? Apple chose not to introduce the feature in the EU. Not the EU.
Pay attention to the last sentence too.
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission @stroughtonsmith gruber in shambles
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Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight
️@EUCommission Please provide complete sources when posting videos.
It makes it easier to talk about and share them. Not every video needs to be a short bad crop of the original source for phones.
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@EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.
You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.
let the market choose on its own.
@webjac @EUCommission you are being disingenuous. Or very naive.
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@webjac @EUCommission But there is no such thing as 'the market'. And better don't trust apple.
@phillip @webjac @EUCommission
Phillip
People do not have to buy apple - it is a luxury segment of the market.
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@webjac @EUCommission That’s exactly the point, to be able to have the choice to select which AI we get to use on our devices, and if Siri is actually the best and the most privacy focused, people will choose it. This time, Apple is not allowing people to make that choice. They are actively limiting features to a whole region to keep their control over their products, like they have already done with iPhone mirroring, for example.
@Ombligoelemento @webjac @EUCommission
they can choose not to buy the luxury apple brand
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@EUCommission @gklka Hey, you should tell this to the three people using any “alternative marketplace” on iOS.
As an Apple user, I don’t care who says what. I buy Apple products because of their functionality and seamless integration. These regulations are negatively impacting the user experience of this integration, which you clearly have no fucking clue about. Nobody asked you to disrupt this with any regulations.
@zsolt@mastodon.decoding.io @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu @gklka@mastodon.social oh no, EU is protecting customers. How could they!?
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@zsolt@mastodon.decoding.io @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu @gklka@mastodon.social oh no, EU is protecting customers. How could they!?
@tragivictoria @EUCommission @gklka What are we protecting with these overcomplicated rules that end up in annoying cookie alerts at the end? Are we forcing “interoperability” on customers who clearly don’t care? I’ll buy an Android phone if I want interoperability and replaceable services.
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@webjac @EUCommission Without a public API, other LLM providers can only offer a chat app and that's it.
It would be similar to Apple not making a public notification API that other apps can use 15 years ago. In that world, iPhones would only have iMessage as a functional instant messaging app, which would clearly be anti-competitive.
@danieldk @EUCommission they will come around eventually I hope. Trust me I want to be able to pick a different model. What worries me is a regulator meddling in unnecessarily.
Also in the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU want to protect me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
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@webjac @EUCommission if the tech sector were competitive, if we had 100s of smartphone operating systems to choose from, on equal grounds, then what you're saying could make sense
however, this is not the world we live in. apple and google have a shared monopoly on smartphone operating systems@lumi @EUCommission believe it or not, I agree. I just don't think that this kind of regulation is the solution.
In the end, the reality of the matter is that both Apple and the EU wants to protect me, and I end up without the features I want. Let me be an adult, I can take care of myself and make my own choices.
