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  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

    Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

    ne555@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #5

    @EUCommission 💪

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    • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

      @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

      You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

      let the market choose on its own.

      phillip@social.cologneP This user is from outside of this forum
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      #6

      @webjac @EUCommission But there is no such thing as 'the market'. And better don't trust apple.

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      • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

        @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

        You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

        let the market choose on its own.

        ombligoelemento@neopaquita.esO This user is from outside of this forum
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        #7

        @webjac @EUCommission That’s exactly the point, to be able to have the choice to select which AI we get to use on our devices, and if Siri is actually the best and the most privacy focused, people will choose it. This time, Apple is not allowing people to make that choice. They are actively limiting features to a whole region to keep their control over their products, like they have already done with iPhone mirroring, for example.

        rzeta0@mastodon.ieR woolfhound@woof.groupW 2 Replies Last reply
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        • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

          @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

          You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

          let the market choose on its own.

          danieldk@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #8

          @webjac @EUCommission Apple chose not to introduce Apple Intelligence in Europe, not the EU.

          Also, the market needs to be regulated. Smartphones have become a duopoly, so if Google decides 'Gemini only' an Apple decides 'Gemini, erm, Siri AI only', competition is effectively dead in the market.

          The EU is right to regulate this. Let Apple cook (ahem) in their anti-competitive choices.

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          • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

            @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

            You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

            let the market choose on its own.

            javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #9

            @webjac @EUCommission Yeah, that's not how regulations work bub.

            It's our choice if we want to buy food laced with lead and cadmium, if I want to its my choice! /s

            Apple *could* have met the EUs regulations, they chose not to out of contempt for all Europeans because they don't want to be regulated, full stop.

            The cult of Apple is almost as stomach turning as the cult of Elon.

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            • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

              @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

              You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

              let the market choose on its own.

              kalleboo@bitbang.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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              #10

              @webjac @EUCommission When you have a duopoly, it's very clearly not a free market.

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              • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

                bahay@social.vivaldi.netB This user is from outside of this forum
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                bahay@social.vivaldi.net
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                #11

                @EUCommission Apple is outsourcing it to Google Gemini.
                No thanks ...

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                • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

                  @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

                  You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

                  let the market choose on its own.

                  david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #12

                  @webjac @EUCommission

                  That's a lot of words to say that you don't know what a 'free market' actually is. Hint: it's not the same as an unregulated market and, in general, unregulated markets are rarely free markets.

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                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                    Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

                    lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #13

                    @EUCommission why not just ban generative "ai" entirely? that would be much better

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                    • danieldk@mastodon.socialD danieldk@mastodon.social

                      @webjac @EUCommission Apple chose not to introduce Apple Intelligence in Europe, not the EU.

                      Also, the market needs to be regulated. Smartphones have become a duopoly, so if Google decides 'Gemini only' an Apple decides 'Gemini, erm, Siri AI only', competition is effectively dead in the market.

                      The EU is right to regulate this. Let Apple cook (ahem) in their anti-competitive choices.

                      danieldk@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #14

                      @webjac @EUCommission Without a public API, other LLM providers can only offer a chat app and that's it.

                      It would be similar to Apple not making a public notification API that other apps can use 15 years ago. In that world, iPhones would only have iMessage as a functional instant messaging app, which would clearly be anti-competitive.

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                      • kalleboo@bitbang.socialK kalleboo@bitbang.social

                        @webjac @EUCommission When you have a duopoly, it's very clearly not a free market.

                        newt@stereophonic.spaceN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #15
                        @kalleboo @webjac @EUCommission the duopoly only exists due to other regulations, specifically the IP laws
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                        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                          Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

                          mtconleyuk@mastodonapp.ukM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #16

                          @EUCommission
                          Cool. Can you get them to not roll out Siri AI in the US as well?

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                          • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

                            @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

                            You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

                            let the market choose on its own.

                            lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #17

                            @webjac @EUCommission if the tech sector were competitive, if we had 100s of smartphone operating systems to choose from, on equal grounds, then what you're saying could make sense

                            however, this is not the world we live in. apple and google have a shared monopoly on smartphone operating systems

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                            • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

                              @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

                              You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

                              let the market choose on its own.

                              jnfrd@berlin.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #18

                              @webjac @EUCommission a free market with a duopoly? two participants? Apple and Google. Where both have a deal. That’s an interesting definition of free market.

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                              • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                Have you heard of Apple's decision on the rollout of Siri AI in Europe? Let's get the facts straight ⬇️

                                felipecerda@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #19

                                @EUCommission how is this different from Gemini on Pixel phones which are allowed and sold in the EU?

                                uint8_t@chaos.socialU uncycliste@hostux.socialU 2 Replies Last reply
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                                • phillip@social.cologneP phillip@social.cologne

                                  @webjac @EUCommission But there is no such thing as 'the market'. And better don't trust apple.

                                  nico@mastodon.puffer.fishN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #20

                                  @phillip @webjac @EUCommission "the market" is EU's entire raison d'être, and the reason why they apply such stupid ruling

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                                  • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                                    @webjac @EUCommission if the tech sector were competitive, if we had 100s of smartphone operating systems to choose from, on equal grounds, then what you're saying could make sense

                                    however, this is not the world we live in. apple and google have a shared monopoly on smartphone operating systems

                                    lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #21

                                    @webjac @EUCommission would also say that what apple is doing undermines the free market. without interoperability, companies can themselves restrict the market

                                    it's not only government regulations that can go against free market, the companies themselves can

                                    (this doesn't mean i think the free market is a good idea, btw. i am opposed to capitalism as a whole. but if i were forced to think in a more capitalist way, this is what i would say)

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                                    • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

                                      @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

                                      You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

                                      let the market choose on its own.

                                      makeithappen5634@privacysafe.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      makeithappen5634@privacysafe.social
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                                      #22

                                      @webjac @EUCommission are you dumb ?

                                      it's their job to protect consumer from those predatory move, so your own post is useless.

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                                      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                                        @webjac @EUCommission

                                        That's a lot of words to say that you don't know what a 'free market' actually is. Hint: it's not the same as an unregulated market and, in general, unregulated markets are rarely free markets.

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                                        #23

                                        @david_chisnall @webjac @EUCommission it's a lot of words to say that you don't understand the concept of free market.

                                        Monopoly behaviors that Apple and Google do is not "free market", as they prevent it to self regulate.

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                                        • webjac@mastodon.socialW webjac@mastodon.social

                                          @EUCommission it's not for you to choose what options a provider give us. If we trust Apple to give us the right choice, it should be our choice as consumer to buy their products with the feature set complete.

                                          You meddling with a free market and telling a private enterprise how they should build their products is a scary thing for a regulatory body to do.

                                          let the market choose on its own.

                                          mcwabbit@tenforward.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #24

                                          @webjac
                                          Oh, don't mind me. I'm just here for the ratio... 🍿

                                          @EUCommission

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