I'm talking about all of the misogyny crap today because folks keep speaking for me and saying I'm one of Fedi's big boosters.

[dlaroe@fosstodon.org]

@vkc

You are surely frank and clear.

You sharing stuff like this is really valuable to me as a white, cisgendered, heterosexual, male, with a low volume account. My privileges stack in such a way that I see none of the bad actor interactions you do.

Thank you for sharing what those who aren't even the worst of us in the Fediverse are doing so we all can know at least that much.

[shadow_glider@equestria.social]

@vkc @McNeely Perhaps reports could be federated and an instance can set it so that if an account has over a certain amount of reports posts/replies have to be manually approved?

Not sure how much this would help but it feels like it could help somewhat, obvs if this is a bad idea please tell me

[classwario@mastodon.social]

@vkc This platform needs more editing (and anger) aimed at it. This is my third account because I get frustrated at what it is (then come back here for what it should be).

[bredroll@mas.to]

@vkc @sashin i wonder if fedi has a community block list feature

[bredroll@mas.to]

@Shadow_Glider @vkc @McNeely i do wonder if its more costly to manage federated or honepot blocking than the bad actors just creating more accounts

[borisschapira@framapiaf.org]

@vkc sorry you have to got through this. Did you notice the content to the server's admin (really asking, not saying you have to)?

[osma@mas.to]

Thanks for being here, and thanks for speaking out. This won't ever get better without first acknowledging it's not good.
@vkc

[furby@towns.gay]

@vkc @McNeely This highlights a need for more co-ordinated efforts like The Bad Space, but less manual. @Gargron How are those imported ban lists coming along?

[hobo_ahoi@mastodon.social]

@vkc I really appreciate your work here (as well as on YouTube), and I am glad that people like you contribute the Fediverse. Recently in German Mastodon another woman issued hate speech she is receiving on a regular basis. It‘s a shame, and it‘s simply against everything the Fediverse was built for. Please feel my/our support!

PS: And I apologize for my remark earlier today, which I made while not having understood well the things you were talking about.

[eivind@mastodon.fjerland.no]

@francis @vkc I concur. I'm sorry to hear you've had bad experiences here, and I have benefited from your knowledge more than once. And to those making people's lives difficult here, just cut it out.

[nthelt@mastodon.social]

@vkc I appreciate you. You're welcome here.

I feel that moderation tools on Fedi is lacking. There should be a way for smaller instances to follow the moderation decisions of larger, more well-moderated instances. Maybe in the form of a community blocked users and instances list that updates in real time, and instances can choose to follow that 100%, or apply whitelists and blacklists to it.

Maybe multiple block lists, like we do with ad blocking.

[missconstrue@mefi.social]

@vkc Im sorry you are experiencing this. Being ovarian presenting and conscious has always been problematic for a certain subset of humans to recognize. How very dare we be autonomous. 🫂

[scunneen@mastodon.social]

@vkc Do you think that things would be better if fedi worked more like a network of blogs and stored comments on the server of the person who made the original post? Then deciding which comments people see is the responsibility of the original post's server, and everyone can see the same comment list. This also would allow posters to delete other peoples' comments on their posts, and to prevent people who they have blocked from commenting.

[toadjaune@hostux.social]

@vkc @sashin oh boy.

And here I was finding just the constant influx of news from the world hard to handle already, I'm so sorry that some of you folks get much much worse

[kelson@notes.kvibber.com]

@vkc @nthelt There's work being done on that by some of the non-mastodon software at least. I've got my GoToSocial instance pulling blocklists from IFTAS automatically and from TBS in draft mode.

[mina@berlin.social]

@vkc

Just sending a few hugs your way.

I love your YouTube channel, and I was so happy to find you here, too.

[nershelam@eldritch.cafe]

@Bredroll @vkc @sashin
So black people tried / managed to create some because they get the shit fast and violent like really violent. I mean other people of color too but black people , especially black queers and black women spearheaded that.

They got harassed many many times over this.
Eg the bad place, but even the hashtag fediblock exists because they had to fight back, ...
Some people still continue to maintain some.
Some people left over that.
Some people left and came back.

AND the devs of most fediverse software actively préfèred working on other stuff than the features they asked for for their safety.
( Trying to remember the names I can think of Ro / at aroh and a Caribbean MarciaX I think who really led not sure , seyrin and oliphant also who proposed stuff there was many times this discussion, I think )

And yes part of it is that choosing an instance is choosing a moderation, but also the fact that instances safe for black people are harassed to the point of closing ( happened I saw it happen twice probably happened more ) , the fact that people are saying 'you should be fine with this couple of instances who care like it's not building fucking virtual ghettos to harass people out everywhere except there but also victim blaming' or plenty of other stuff. There needs to be a culture shift to not let the mysoginy , general racism, antiblackness and very specifically mysoginoir fly, there needs to be campaigns for actually paying the instances that do good moderation.

Because until people start acting generally like 'you see something you says something' instead of coddling piece of shits abusers. And until thats the culture going to continue. And actively looking for the abuse sometimes to protect their neighbors on those internet streets. It's going to continue.

Also 2 Pb : people recreating accounts ( how many times have I see a post on fediblock 'hey you remember this harasser, well they created another account with one letter changed into a number now that everyone has blocked them) - don't really know how to solve this one, when you block someone they can still see your public posts because of how the federation works and how it's open to the whole internet. That one I think there should be something developed in between public / shadowed public posts and people who follow you posts because that enables stalkers and harassers big time. And to fix this problem has been asked for 10 years by now.

Did I mention black people have been shouting into the void for the last 10 years from what I gathered ( I am here since 2022 but fediblock happened 2016 or 2017 because of harassment campaigns) ?

[somevegancheeseisok@mastodon.social]

@vkc yeah there's a lot of fringe folks here. Both in the good sense and the bad sense. The Internet is a public space, and that means we get to experience all the stuff that comes with that.

I am mostly grateful even for the weird ugly sad parts, because that's how you know it's real.

[ferrix@mastodon.online]

@vkc ug; that same quirk that makes every reply guy not realize their thing has been said already, makes everyone else not see the abusive replies, so we can't help shout them down, so your replies become a hostile place for you, not them .

This is the utter doom for big accounts using fedi, at least ones who have any interest in interacting rather than just megaphoning.

I hope there's some possible design solution because we need this place, but like a better analog

[djgummikuh@mastodon.social]

@vkc no need to hold back here. And hi, I am glad that you are here! Fuck those misogynistic wankstains.