Spain is in Ceuta because it was part of Al-Andalus.
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@blogdiva At the risk of being pedantic, this is essentially what Said was calling out in *Orientalism*. Without The Other, Europe as a concept couldn't exist. And this is something that predates Christianity.
@dnkboston @blogdiva @ophiocephalic Henri Pirenne said the same thing, that after the Roman empire collapsed all the Mediterranean trade routes remained, the European hinterland only became important after christians lost the southern shore
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@blogdiva At the risk of being pedantic, this is essentially what Said was calling out in *Orientalism*. Without The Other, Europe as a concept couldn't exist. And this is something that predates Christianity.
YES!
apropos of #Orientalism:
the whole pajamas craze of the early 20th century is directly related to europeans exposure to former slavery enclaves like Morocco when they pivoted to tourism to make money after a lot of their plantations went bankrupt trying to compete with South and East Asian plantations.
the lounge and beach pajamas craze really encapsulate that pivot away from MENA and the Indian peninsula into the “Far East”.
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@blogdiva The Habsburgs, of course, also being among the most notoriously inbred families in history, making a mockery of myths about "pure blood".
As posh Brits would say as they clink their champagne glasses together..."chin chin"!
@ApostateEnglishman @blogdiva Es heisst HABSBURG, verdammt noch mal. Haben sie euch kein "B" mit hinübergeschickt in die Kolonien?
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I think that the US relationship to race and immigration is the unholy synthesis of chattel slavery (via the British-dominated triangle trade) and La Conquista peonage, which is the outgrowth of Euro colonial adventures in (North) Africa
And when Europeans say "we're not racist like Americans" they usually are focused on *one* of those two but are willfully blind to the other
French liberals overlook their history in Algiers; Belgians overlook Congo; Italians Ethiopia
I think the US traded class stratification for extra race stratification, too.
One can see, in literature and memoir to about mayyyybe 1830 in England, the possibility of an international race-blind aristocratic system instead of what we got. I think the UK and German middle-working classes were just strong enough to prevent it.
Surely this has a proper name to historians, perhaps as the something fallacy?
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but as there were less and less moros and sefaradís to be had, ethnic minorities like basques, catalanes, gallegos would end up in those sweeps.
in SUGAR: A BITTERSWEET HISTORY, Elizabeth Abbot centers the development of the sugar industry on these waves of expulsiones from Spain.
the first mass scale sugar plantations were developed by Spain in Morocco with the enslaved expulsados who had no means to “go back to where they came from” in the Middle East 🧵…
@blogdiva let me to make some corrections if youn do not mind. The word is sefardí, in English Sephardic, not sefaradies. Gallegans, vascs and catalonias are not ethnic groups but people with different languages related to other kingdoms in the peninsula. Moriscos were people with Arab cultural background. It means they write or even talk Arab but not necessary muslims. In fact they had to convert critianism since 1492. Moro was a despective way for Islamic.
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YES!
apropos of #Orientalism:
the whole pajamas craze of the early 20th century is directly related to europeans exposure to former slavery enclaves like Morocco when they pivoted to tourism to make money after a lot of their plantations went bankrupt trying to compete with South and East Asian plantations.
the lounge and beach pajamas craze really encapsulate that pivot away from MENA and the Indian peninsula into the “Far East”.
@blogdiva There is so much there that is applicable to our modern moment. It's going to take a couple of days to unpack it.
Always gets at the question that is at the rotten heart of capitalism with a capital
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@blogdiva para hablar sin saber, mejor se calla usted, compañera.
@blogdiva vale, me dejé llevar por malos sentimientos, mis disculpas. Mas en lo que dices hay mucho de erróneo. Suficiente nos odian ya los gringos como para echar más gasolina al fuego.
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RE: https://masto.nyc/@rejinl/117026794913427870
Spain is in Ceuta because it was part of Al-Andalus. after 1492 it became NOT a migration point but an EXPULSION point.
#Morocco has been complicit with #Spain since the days of the Hapsburgs. they helped La Corona in #deportations of spanish moros, sefaradís and even iberian ethnic groups like basque, gallegos, catalanes.
#Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.
Spain’s first sugar plantations were worked by moro & sefaradí slaves in Morocco.
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@blogdiva Help us
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@blogdiva let me to make some corrections if youn do not mind. The word is sefardí, in English Sephardic, not sefaradies. Gallegans, vascs and catalonias are not ethnic groups but people with different languages related to other kingdoms in the peninsula. Moriscos were people with Arab cultural background. It means they write or even talk Arab but not necessary muslims. In fact they had to convert critianism since 1492. Moro was a despective way for Islamic.
@blogdiva catalonians were not prosecuted because they subdits of the crown of Aragon. I that time they were expanding by Sicilia and south of Italy. The Crown of Castilian try to expand in the north of Africa. They were success in Ceuta, Melilla and Ranger but Morocco was fully independent. Any way, the sugar cane industry is hard to believe was developed in Morroco in the Xv century. Maybe the following century In South america.
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recently came across academic research on the last pogrom and expulsiones of Jews in Spain. it happened in 1898 in Galicia.
this is HIGHLY significant for a few reasons:
1. 1898 is the year of the Spanish American War
2. it is known the gringolarchy were doing everything in their power to destabilize #Spain and invade #Cuba and #PuertoRico
3. #ManifestDestiny is tied to the hip of Sarmiento’s theory of #blanquemiento, which is #eugenics by #immigration
but more importantly 🧵…
@blogdiva As far as I know there were no Jews in Spain after 1492. I have no clue about prosecutions of Jewish in Galicia in 1898. In that time, there were a massive immigration to south america in the same way as the Irish did (Fidel Castro's grandfather was gallegans). Related to Jewish prosecution in Galicia, refer me your sources, please. Therefore I can learn more about my own History.
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if we look at Spain’s waves of expulsiones (aka deportations) and their use of eminent domain to take over the lands and properties of the deported, it’s clear they had expanded the definition of LIMPIA DE SANGRE and “one-drop rule” not for pedestrian racist reasons but because it was a quick way to make money.
so even though LA LIMPIA didn't have in #Spain the same white supremacist connotations that #blanqueamiento had in #Argentina and #OneDropRule in the United States 🧵…
@blogdiva hummm, not exactly. In the Middle Age, península were divided in diferent kingdoms with many diferent languages and cultures in the territory. Expulsions a represions againts local aristocracy were a way to standarized the population in order made easier to rule in unified crown of Castillia and Aragon by the end of XV century. This made the basis of the spanish national cristianism during the Franco dictatorship.
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RE: https://masto.nyc/@rejinl/117026794913427870
Spain is in Ceuta because it was part of Al-Andalus. after 1492 it became NOT a migration point but an EXPULSION point.
#Morocco has been complicit with #Spain since the days of the Hapsburgs. they helped La Corona in #deportations of spanish moros, sefaradís and even iberian ethnic groups like basque, gallegos, catalanes.
#Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.
Spain’s first sugar plantations were worked by moro & sefaradí slaves in Morocco.
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I always thought it was quite *amusing* when various Spanish governments got the he hump over Gibraltar when they had the same deal going in in North Africa
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@AccordionBruce @blogdiva Housing and loans depend upon FICO scores. People won't go on strike or protest if it ruins their ability to obtain a place to live or own a car. FICO scores are the tool of financial oppression and control. However, if the housing prices and student loan totals get so out of hand that the the FICO system is destroyed and people can't rent or buy anything, then the proverbial shite will hit the fan, because then there is nothing to lose.
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RE: https://masto.nyc/@rejinl/117026794913427870
Spain is in Ceuta because it was part of Al-Andalus. after 1492 it became NOT a migration point but an EXPULSION point.
#Morocco has been complicit with #Spain since the days of the Hapsburgs. they helped La Corona in #deportations of spanish moros, sefaradís and even iberian ethnic groups like basque, gallegos, catalanes.
#Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.
Spain’s first sugar plantations were worked by moro & sefaradí slaves in Morocco.
🧵…
@blogdiva Well things are a little bit more complicated than that. The conquest of Ceuta was made by the Portuguese crown in 1415 and the place switch to Spanish hands in the 17th century. It´s considered the first non defensive conquest of the Portuguese. In a council to debate the enterprise many notable people presented pros and cons about it. Some religious even point the idea as against christian values....
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RE: https://masto.nyc/@rejinl/117026794913427870
Spain is in Ceuta because it was part of Al-Andalus. after 1492 it became NOT a migration point but an EXPULSION point.
#Morocco has been complicit with #Spain since the days of the Hapsburgs. they helped La Corona in #deportations of spanish moros, sefaradís and even iberian ethnic groups like basque, gallegos, catalanes.
#Marruecos is to #España what El Salvador is today to #Trump and #MAGA #Project2025.
Spain’s first sugar plantations were worked by moro & sefaradí slaves in Morocco.
🧵…
@blogdiva Spain can always return the enclave immediately, returning these crisis actors back home safely and not have this problem happen ever again but old habits die hard.
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recently came across academic research on the last pogrom and expulsiones of Jews in Spain. it happened in 1898 in Galicia.
this is HIGHLY significant for a few reasons:
1. 1898 is the year of the Spanish American War
2. it is known the gringolarchy were doing everything in their power to destabilize #Spain and invade #Cuba and #PuertoRico
3. #ManifestDestiny is tied to the hip of Sarmiento’s theory of #blanquemiento, which is #eugenics by #immigration
but more importantly 🧵…
@blogdiva Galician here - lots of ugly things happened here, but pogroms in 1898? Not that I know of.
(Aren't you by chance mixing Galicia, Poland with Galicia, Spain?)
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@AccordionBruce @blogdiva Housing and loans depend upon FICO scores. People won't go on strike or protest if it ruins their ability to obtain a place to live or own a car. FICO scores are the tool of financial oppression and control. However, if the housing prices and student loan totals get so out of hand that the the FICO system is destroyed and people can't rent or buy anything, then the proverbial shite will hit the fan, because then there is nothing to lose.
@AccordionBruce @timo21 @blogdiva
when we're losing our entire planet, there really is nothing to lose. We've already lost. Anything we fight for now saves little tiny scraps for the future.
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@blogdiva Well things are a little bit more complicated than that. The conquest of Ceuta was made by the Portuguese crown in 1415 and the place switch to Spanish hands in the 17th century. It´s considered the first non defensive conquest of the Portuguese. In a council to debate the enterprise many notable people presented pros and cons about it. Some religious even point the idea as against christian values....
@blogdiva however the control of Ceuta allowed to reduce the actions of muslin pirates that robbed and enslaved coastal christian populations. Also the life of Medieval Sefardi Jews was totally different from the 19th century Eastern Europe cliché that present Ashkenazi cling to. Medieval Sephardi and latter 'Cristãos Novos' weren't slaves, they lend money to buy slaves or trade slaves themselves. Jews had influence in society, like the 'Chief Rabbi' represented in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Vincent_Panels
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@blogdiva As far as I know there were no Jews in Spain after 1492. I have no clue about prosecutions of Jewish in Galicia in 1898. In that time, there were a massive immigration to south america in the same way as the Irish did (Fidel Castro's grandfather was gallegans). Related to Jewish prosecution in Galicia, refer me your sources, please. Therefore I can learn more about my own History.
@paeiro
Me imagino que sus fuentes las habrá sacado del mismo sitio de donde sacó las fuentes en las que afirma que los “grupos étnicos ibéricos” de gallegos, vascos y catalanes, fueron expulsados de España, con la complicidad de Marruecos, después de expulsar a los sefardíes y a los “moros españoles”. -
@blogdiva vale, me dejé llevar por malos sentimientos, mis disculpas. Mas en lo que dices hay mucho de erróneo. Suficiente nos odian ya los gringos como para echar más gasolina al fuego.
@josemachete79
No tienes que disculparte por nada.
Cuando alguien que esgrime títulos de doctora, no para de soltar estereotipos vacíos de contenido, es lógico reaccionar con cierta vehemencia.
