Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you.
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@FediTips, the main thing is not to turn out to be a bigot yourself, a bigot who blocks people simply for dissent. And it is important to remember that the main threat to the free Internet and freedom in general is not misguided people, but monopolies and the politicians who serve them.
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Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell people you're doing horrible depraved crimes. Would you just block them?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe the lies and share them?
What if this turns into real life abuse and violence against you and your family?
This is what vulnerable groups face from bigots. Bigoted accounts need to be shut down, servers which refuse to remove bigots should be defederated.
"Just block them" doesn't work.
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@FediTips @e_t_wright
What if it’s on Nostr, but I can’t defederate from Nostr.@itzpingcat@sakurajima.moe why can't you defederate nostr? /Genq
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Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell people you're doing horrible depraved crimes. Would you just block them?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe the lies and share them?
What if this turns into real life abuse and violence against you and your family?
This is what vulnerable groups face from bigots. Bigoted accounts need to be shut down, servers which refuse to remove bigots should be defederated.
"Just block them" doesn't work.
@FediTips Yeap.. Happened to me too. Not on Fediverse but still and doesn't change the fact that I got at first harassed and verbally molested online and later in the real life brutally attacked and beaten by same a-holes. And all because the people who were obliged to react (admins and moderators of an well known, "reputable" IT forum) did not do so and, through their ignorance, allowed the escalation. What's more, they even tried to sweep the case under the carpet and delete the evidences.
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@alex
Bluesky as in the next oppressive and corrupt police state (because they apparently have centralized moderation).It wasnt a sincere suggestion but an explanation of why oppressing your fellow people does not work but the conditions need to change. As in bluesky is what happens when you try to solve an issue with more instead of less oppression.
As I said, fanon wrote about this. Alexandra Kollontai did too in "the social basis of the woman question"
@FediTipsThe usual dilemma. Instead of addressing the criticism of the Fediverse, which has been described very well here, some people prefer to write "Bluesky is stupid." The uncomfortable truth is that the accounts that were kicked off Bluesky for anti-Semitism have found a good home in the Fediverse and are still being courted here.
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The usual dilemma. Instead of addressing the criticism of the Fediverse, which has been described very well here, some people prefer to write "Bluesky is stupid." The uncomfortable truth is that the accounts that were kicked off Bluesky for anti-Semitism have found a good home in the Fediverse and are still being courted here.
@zotheca
Yikes. Theres a lot to unpack here.First of all, nice strawman! You definitely know that your fake criticism does not adress anything that was written and only tries to trigger people.
Second, mixing antisemitism allegations in a discussion is no red flag AT ALL, right?
I suggest you walk along. I dont think we have anything constructive to discuss.
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Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell people you're doing horrible depraved crimes. Would you just block them?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe the lies and share them?
What if this turns into real life abuse and violence against you and your family?
This is what vulnerable groups face from bigots. Bigoted accounts need to be shut down, servers which refuse to remove bigots should be defederated.
"Just block them" doesn't work.
p.s. If anyone wants a specific real life example of this actually happening, here is one:
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A black grandfather played with his white grandchildren in the park, their family videoed it as it was a wholesome scene.
Far right racists stole the video and lied about its context, claiming it was actually an immigrant trying to abduct kids. The video and lies were shared to millions of people. The innocent grandfather is threatened in the street and lives in fear.
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@zotheca
Yikes. Theres a lot to unpack here.First of all, nice strawman! You definitely know that your fake criticism does not adress anything that was written and only tries to trigger people.
Second, mixing antisemitism allegations in a discussion is no red flag AT ALL, right?
I suggest you walk along. I dont think we have anything constructive to discuss.
@alex @FediTips„I suggest you walk along. I dont think we have anything constructive to discuss.“
I suggest you start with yourself and simply don't respond.
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Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell people you're doing horrible depraved crimes. Would you just block them?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe the lies and share them?
What if this turns into real life abuse and violence against you and your family?
This is what vulnerable groups face from bigots. Bigoted accounts need to be shut down, servers which refuse to remove bigots should be defederated.
"Just block them" doesn't work.
@FediTips Thank you for calling it out and making this recommendation
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p.s. If anyone wants a specific real life example of this actually happening, here is one:
TL:DR -
A black grandfather played with his white grandchildren in the park, their family videoed it as it was a wholesome scene.
Far right racists stole the video and lied about its context, claiming it was actually an immigrant trying to abduct kids. The video and lies were shared to millions of people. The innocent grandfather is threatened in the street and lives in fear.
@FediTips
Racists post and "the video and lies were shared millions of times."
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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services And also strangers mansplaining about how the Fediverse is decentralise when anyone brings up about being harassed on here.
I don't think they intend to be malicious doing it and think their being helpful but it a equivalent of reading a brochure and talking about stuff in there like it's groundbreaking to people that.. well, already have read it or know about it as it basic fact unless you're a newbie. -
p.s. If anyone wants a specific real life example of this actually happening, here is one:
TL:DR -
A black grandfather played with his white grandchildren in the park, their family videoed it as it was a wholesome scene.
Far right racists stole the video and lied about its context, claiming it was actually an immigrant trying to abduct kids. The video and lies were shared to millions of people. The innocent grandfather is threatened in the street and lives in fear.
@FediTips This reminds me of Zheng Ling-hua, this 24-year-old girl with pink hair shared the joyful news of her graduate school acceptance at her grandfather's hospital bedside in July 2022, post the photo on social media. What should have been a heart-warming moment instead sparked a wave of online abuse. After months of battling online bullies, this once lively and cheerful girl ultimately took her own life.
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The reason the forwarding is optional is because some abusers are on single-user servers that they control themselves, and have responded to reports by being even more abusive.
Some victims prefer not to forward it to the origin server if they suspect it is run by the abusers (or people sympathetic to the abuser).
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The reason the forwarding is optional is because some abusers are on single-user servers that they control themselves, and have responded to reports by being even more abusive.
Some victims prefer not to forward it to the origin server if they suspect it is run by the abusers (or people sympathetic to the abuser).
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p.s. If anyone wants a specific real life example of this actually happening, here is one:
TL:DR -
A black grandfather played with his white grandchildren in the park, their family videoed it as it was a wholesome scene.
Far right racists stole the video and lied about its context, claiming it was actually an immigrant trying to abduct kids. The video and lies were shared to millions of people. The innocent grandfather is threatened in the street and lives in fear.
@FediTips my neighbor's son was nearly arrested in Walmart because his stepdaughter is white and he is Black. Someone called the police because they suspected a kidnapping. The poor little girl was traumatized and crying because the police were questioning her daddy.
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@FediTips my neighbor's son was nearly arrested in Walmart because his stepdaughter is white and he is Black. Someone called the police because they suspected a kidnapping. The poor little girl was traumatized and crying because the police were questioning her daddy.
Horrible
