Every time a newcomer posts an introduction and somebody tells them they shouldn’t have joined Mastodon.social and need to move to a different server, an angel loses their wings.
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@johnlorimer @annika I'm only on Mastodon too. I am not a nerd (that I'm aware of), but I like the fact that it's human-sized and full of humans and people actually talk to one another in here. A nice corner of the internet, as you say.
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@CiaraNi I'm glad to read that. While I've not introduced myself yet (this might count as such), I am joining the fediverse not by running away from other alternatives but as first experience overall. As it's patently obvious, I'm on the "default" server for two reasons: learn how all this works and to avoid encapsulating in a community where I might not feel well around. Mind you, I have diverse interests and some servers seem to frown upon joining if you not share, as its main, theirs
@CiaraNi I can understand why a tight-knitted community server would not like to have newcomers who do not share their philosophy, however I am still figuring things and not sure which of my interests I'll share or develop here, and entering a given server but being more prolific on another topic, by reading some of their rules, will be disliked, and I don't want that. That's why I am in a "everything but no main topic" server. Given time, I might move on, but hell, I'm only a week old here!
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@johnlorimer @annika I'm only on Mastodon too. I am not a nerd (that I'm aware of), but I like the fact that it's human-sized and full of humans and people actually talk to one another in here. A nice corner of the internet, as you say.
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@CiaraNi That "someone at Proton once said something" sums up so much. There is no winning with some people. We know everything is problematic if you look hard enough. Short of going off grid and living in a cabin in the woods, we've all got to work out our own compromises until things improve.
And some people keep their Twitter accounts so nobody else can use the name and potentially impersonate them. I see no problem in that. I deleted mine, but I see why some people don't.
@beecycling Agreed. I wince every time I see someone attempt a purity test or a Gotcha! on someone who has chosen The Wrong Open-Source Solution for some extremely niche problematic reason that the complainer has worked hard to find in the weeds.
Good point about reasons for not deleting previous accounts. And some don't delete them because they've lost easy access, maybe it was created with a long-gone mail address, so it's easier to just leave it there, unused and defunct.
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@CiaraNi 100% it's Eoghan!
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@bleistifterin @rgarner Ohmygod are you trying to start a flame war in the Fediverse. Milk in first!
@CiaraNi @bleistifterin @rgarner amateurs tea is supposed to hurt, teaspoon of loose leaves, boil for a min and steep for at least 5. The best pull is the stuff that is forgotten for a day at the bottom in the swamp of leaves, almost opaque, caffeine content over 9000, bitter like the soul of a 16y old goth who just got dumped -
@CiaraNi Indeed, that's unbearable and I see it all the time.
this might also in part explain why mastodon felt and still feels complex, elitarian and not so fun to many people, when they had to decide where to go after "the diaspora".(also no the best to assault people explaining how they should make their post, why they are using # and alt-text and content warning wrong, etc...
)@franco_vazza Agreed. It does seem a bit elitarian, like people gatekeeping. And agreed, very much agreed, about people badgering others about alt text and content warnings and the like. Newcomers tend to pick up the idea of using Alt Text naturally after a short while, in my experience, because many people 'lead by example', not because they harangue one another about it.
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Ditto:
'Why are you still on Bluesky too?'
'But did you *delete* your Twitter account?'
’You said you switched to Proton mail too, oh that’s bad, once someone at Proton said something’
It’s nice to see new neighbours move into the Fediverse. It feels unwelcoming to see people immediately interview them about the purity of their intentions. Or telling them You’re Doing It Wrong. They've just arrived on a journey away from Big Tech. Maybe they'd prefer to be offered a seat and a cup of tea.
@CiaraNi I'm on .social. When I joined Mastodon a few weeks ago I didn't know about anything about all the different servers and how to join them.
Now I know a tiny bit more, but I've yet to deside if I'm moving and where to move to.
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@CiaraNi I'm glad to read that. While I've not introduced myself yet (this might count as such), I am joining the fediverse not by running away from other alternatives but as first experience overall. As it's patently obvious, I'm on the "default" server for two reasons: learn how all this works and to avoid encapsulating in a community where I might not feel well around. Mind you, I have diverse interests and some servers seem to frown upon joining if you not share, as its main, theirs
@lenotaire Those are great and well-thought-out reasons for joining the main server. And welcome to the neighbourhood!
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@johnlorimer @annika Such a shame, when something we enjoy gets destroyed like that. So much AI asbestos has been stuffed into the walls of the internet.
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@johnlorimer @annika Haha - thank you
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@beecycling Agreed. I wince every time I see someone attempt a purity test or a Gotcha! on someone who has chosen The Wrong Open-Source Solution for some extremely niche problematic reason that the complainer has worked hard to find in the weeds.
Good point about reasons for not deleting previous accounts. And some don't delete them because they've lost easy access, maybe it was created with a long-gone mail address, so it's easier to just leave it there, unused and defunct.
@CiaraNi One thing I found when I was figuring out whether to delete my Twitter or not was that there was a sort of dormant state you could put it in, but you couldn't use two factor authentication on that, making it much less secure. So keeping it fully alive but just not using it, or fully deleting it are the best options.
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@CiaraNi That "someone at Proton once said something" sums up so much. There is no winning with some people. We know everything is problematic if you look hard enough. Short of going off grid and living in a cabin in the woods, we've all got to work out our own compromises until things improve.
And some people keep their Twitter accounts so nobody else can use the name and potentially impersonate them. I see no problem in that. I deleted mine, but I see why some people don't.
@beecycling @CiaraNi Most cabins in the woods are built from unsustainable wood by underpaid workers...
/s
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@psneeze That someone would be me, if they pronounced it Skon, not scone-rhymes-with-Eoghan
@CiaraNi I once met someone in Bolivia who was describing that his name was spelled the 'standard way', e o g h a n, which made me chuckle no end
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@CiaraNi @bleistifterin @rgarner amateurs tea is supposed to hurt, teaspoon of loose leaves, boil for a min and steep for at least 5. The best pull is the stuff that is forgotten for a day at the bottom in the swamp of leaves, almost opaque, caffeine content over 9000, bitter like the soul of a 16y old goth who just got dumped
@Primavera @bleistifterin @rgarner
"bitter like the soul of a 16y old goth who just got dumped"
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Ditto:
'Why are you still on Bluesky too?'
'But did you *delete* your Twitter account?'
’You said you switched to Proton mail too, oh that’s bad, once someone at Proton said something’
It’s nice to see new neighbours move into the Fediverse. It feels unwelcoming to see people immediately interview them about the purity of their intentions. Or telling them You’re Doing It Wrong. They've just arrived on a journey away from Big Tech. Maybe they'd prefer to be offered a seat and a cup of tea.
@CiaraNi very good point.
to everybody in that situation welcome!
would you like green tea, chamomile, delete your facebook account, or coffee?
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@Primavera @bleistifterin @rgarner
"bitter like the soul of a 16y old goth who just got dumped"
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@franco_vazza Agreed. It does seem a bit elitarian, like people gatekeeping. And agreed, very much agreed, about people badgering others about alt text and content warnings and the like. Newcomers tend to pick up the idea of using Alt Text naturally after a short while, in my experience, because many people 'lead by example', not because they harangue one another about it.
@CiaraNi I hereby confess and repent the fact that I am just too lazy to add alt text in a consistent way to the many videos and plots I show of my research activity, because I still think it's a casual posting and i am not committing to build something consistently made for the public
