Two tiny things I've started doing since the heatwaves became social small talk.
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@CiaraNi
I'm right with you. As Old Women we are also most at risk
#ClimateCollapse@HeatherMJ And at the other end of the generational scale, the young people are at great risk from our lack of action - distressing to think what their lives will be like in 2040, 2050, 2060.
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@BenCotterill @Walrus It's an almost impressive level of cognitive dissonance. Oblivious or deliberate or both. I keep hearing these same kinds of conversations too - a regular one is people flying to Spain on yet another charter holiday, then complaining bitterly about how the heat there ruined their holiday.
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I always refer to it as 'climate breakdown in real-time'.
@essjayjay Good phrase. I'll borrow and use that too. Gets straight to the point.
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@CiaraNi The sick part is that leaders around the world is not doing enough to prevent it from getting worse...
@John_Ligher I think it's connected. The leaders won't take radical action as long as they know that the 10% (that minority of privileged people who take holiday flights and over-consume) doesn't care. If we collectively mass-boycotted holiday flights and stopped buying unnecessary stuff from non-local companies that sell fast-fashion and consumer tat, it might be a start, making it clear to them that we demand they do something.
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'The facts are alarming, pointing them out isn't alarmist.'
Well said. I think this is why I've started bringing climate collapse into any small talk about 'it's hot today'. We need to change the conversation, to make the social attitude switch sides. To make it more socially unacceptable to deny we must do something than to point out we must do something, something radical, and soon.
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@HeatherMJ And at the other end of the generational scale, the young people are at great risk from our lack of action - distressing to think what their lives will be like in 2040, 2050, 2060.
@CiaraNi
I grieve for my children and grandchildren.
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@esureL I'm not sure any more if it's because they can't think about it or won't think about it in case that makes us contemplate radical collective behavioural change.
@CiaraNi Yeah, maybe that too. It's a shame, though, because especially online, there's so much mental, cognitive and emotional energy being wasted on a daily basis.
Instead of discussing what $politician did today and how bad they are, imagine all this energy going towards solutions against them. How to make the underlying systems more resilient. How to drive changes and realisation in the electorate. And how to navigate these conversations successfully beyond Christmas survival guides.
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Two tiny things I've started doing since the heatwaves became social small talk.
I use the phrase 'climate collapse'. Klimakollaps. Not climate change.
When anyone moans about the heat in isolation, as if it's just a rare hot day today, I mention the death toll and wonder aloud: 'What are we going to do about climate collapse?' Just to bring it into the conversation.
I know it's very Old Woman Yells At Climate Collapse. But it's just weird that we refuse to even mention it.
@CiaraNi Good point. And perhaps we should broaden things: Environmental collapse, civilizational collapse.
Because the collapse is happening in far more areas than simply the climate. The bodiversity and soil collapse are in many ways a key accelerant of the climate collapse. The current mining surge is a huge driver of collapse. Everything is interconnected and intertwined.
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@CiaraNi Yeah, maybe that too. It's a shame, though, because especially online, there's so much mental, cognitive and emotional energy being wasted on a daily basis.
Instead of discussing what $politician did today and how bad they are, imagine all this energy going towards solutions against them. How to make the underlying systems more resilient. How to drive changes and realisation in the electorate. And how to navigate these conversations successfully beyond Christmas survival guides.
@esureL Agreed. Such an amount of mental energy being wasted by everyone trying to have the conversation and everyone trying not to have the conversation.
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@CiaraNi
I grieve for my children and grandchildren.
Will politicians only start acting when people are dying in the streets?@HeatherMJ The death tolls so far don't seem to be provoking action where they turn up on our screens holding emergency Speak To The Nation press conferences about radical collective actions, like they did at the start of the Covid lockdowns. All I can come up with as an alternative is mass consumer boycotts, perhaps. Because maybe money and big companies making smaller profits might speak louder than the death of citizens.
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Two tiny things I've started doing since the heatwaves became social small talk.
I use the phrase 'climate collapse'. Klimakollaps. Not climate change.
When anyone moans about the heat in isolation, as if it's just a rare hot day today, I mention the death toll and wonder aloud: 'What are we going to do about climate collapse?' Just to bring it into the conversation.
I know it's very Old Woman Yells At Climate Collapse. But it's just weird that we refuse to even mention it.
@CiaraNi I'm using that. One of the issues I have these days (and long ago) are the euphemisms. They're just not strong enough anymore. Calling a lie mis or dis info, I understand but calling things a lie leaves no doubt and the media didn't do that for a long time.
"Climate Collapse" does it for me (yikes) and it's why I think I'll go for my morning walk now.
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@CiaraNi Good point. And perhaps we should broaden things: Environmental collapse, civilizational collapse.
Because the collapse is happening in far more areas than simply the climate. The bodiversity and soil collapse are in many ways a key accelerant of the climate collapse. The current mining surge is a huge driver of collapse. Everything is interconnected and intertwined.
@gerrymcgovern All of that is so true. For now, I'm trying to escalate the familiar 'climate change' to 'climate collapse' for emphasis in conversations where everyone's talking about the heat as if it's a one-off random hot day today. Nobody's fault. Not part of a global problem. Sure what can you do. Sure wasn't it like that in '76. Ah sure let's have an ice-cream. I wonder if I could say 'civilizational collapse' without instant denial. You are correct of course. Everything is interconnected.
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@CiaraNi I'm using that. One of the issues I have these days (and long ago) are the euphemisms. They're just not strong enough anymore. Calling a lie mis or dis info, I understand but calling things a lie leaves no doubt and the media didn't do that for a long time.
"Climate Collapse" does it for me (yikes) and it's why I think I'll go for my morning walk now.
@bedifferent Agreed. And yes, yikes indeed.
"Calling a lie mis or dis info, I understand but calling things a lie leaves no doubt and the media didn't do that for a long time,"
Great point. We made it socially impolite to call a lie a lie; to say that a liar lied instead of 'misspoke'; to say that we need to do something collective about climate collapse ourselves even though Elon Musk has a private jet.
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Two tiny things I've started doing since the heatwaves became social small talk.
I use the phrase 'climate collapse'. Klimakollaps. Not climate change.
When anyone moans about the heat in isolation, as if it's just a rare hot day today, I mention the death toll and wonder aloud: 'What are we going to do about climate collapse?' Just to bring it into the conversation.
I know it's very Old Woman Yells At Climate Collapse. But it's just weird that we refuse to even mention it.
@CiaraNi
"But it's just weird that we refuse to even mention it."Or it's all carefully choreographed.
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'The facts are alarming, pointing them out isn't alarmist.'
Well said. I think this is why I've started bringing climate collapse into any small talk about 'it's hot today'. We need to change the conversation, to make the social attitude switch sides. To make it more socially unacceptable to deny we must do something than to point out we must do something, something radical, and soon.
@CiaraNi @delafin @juliette
❝...These billionaires WILL fucking kill you, to keep doing capitalism on a boiling planet. They're installing fascism so you don't have a choice, they're controlling police states because they mean to preserve their world order, with violence--that's actually why security forces exist, everywhere...❞
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@gerrymcgovern All of that is so true. For now, I'm trying to escalate the familiar 'climate change' to 'climate collapse' for emphasis in conversations where everyone's talking about the heat as if it's a one-off random hot day today. Nobody's fault. Not part of a global problem. Sure what can you do. Sure wasn't it like that in '76. Ah sure let's have an ice-cream. I wonder if I could say 'civilizational collapse' without instant denial. You are correct of course. Everything is interconnected.
@CiaraNi And you're exactly right too. Calling it climate collapse will be enough to get you called a heretic.
But if you really want to head for witch burning territory, then you'd say that the core underlying driver is white male supremacy culture!
They always come for the old, wise women first.
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@CiaraNi
"But it's just weird that we refuse to even mention it."Or it's all carefully choreographed.
@clintruin I didn't really mean 'weird', it was an on-the-fly choice of word. Yes, the silence is not 'weird' in the sense of mysterious. We are very deliberately not mentioning it. Because, I think, of social pressure among the privileged minority who over-consume not to normalise the idea that we can and should change our behaviour.
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@clintruin I didn't really mean 'weird', it was an on-the-fly choice of word. Yes, the silence is not 'weird' in the sense of mysterious. We are very deliberately not mentioning it. Because, I think, of social pressure among the privileged minority who over-consume not to normalise the idea that we can and should change our behaviour.
@CiaraNi
Having gotten a feel for the thread, I kinda figured you were being glib. This said, I always look for opportunities to point out none of this is accidental. -
Two tiny things I've started doing since the heatwaves became social small talk.
I use the phrase 'climate collapse'. Klimakollaps. Not climate change.
When anyone moans about the heat in isolation, as if it's just a rare hot day today, I mention the death toll and wonder aloud: 'What are we going to do about climate collapse?' Just to bring it into the conversation.
I know it's very Old Woman Yells At Climate Collapse. But it's just weird that we refuse to even mention it.
@CiaraNi I am using terms Climate Catastrophe (Katastrofa Klimatyczna) and Global Heating (Globalne Ogrzewanie). I have also noted that Greenhouse Effect is less frequently used by media than it used to.
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@alx I agree with your points. I'm just thinking about a much earlier stage of the conversation. About trying to get it talked about at all. The phrase 'climate change' is familiar to all. 'Climate collapse' escalates a concept people know. I don't think those who want to keep it a taboo subject are thinking about climate contra ecology or whether they can or can't control it. Many in the 10% of fliers and over-consumers just prefer not to contemplate changing their and our collective behaviour.
@CiaraNi sure, the familiarity with the expression "climate" is a valid argument, but I am not sure people are less familiar with the word "environment", which is where the environmentalist movement started.When people around me use "climate", I simply respond by not using the word myself and using "environment", which up to now everybody seemed familiar with. I don't think anybody is keeping it as taboo.
Consumers behaviours is another discourse, mostly tied to production, not just knowledge.
