Age verification ...

[joho@mastodon.online]

@TimWardCam I'm all for authentication and verification, when there's a point, when it adds something, when it actually makes things better.

When it becomes a invasive privacy issue for citizens that are already under surveillance by governments *and* tech giants, it's not quite the same thing.

Rule #1: Politicians should need to understand what they're actually trying to pass laws for, and how that works in reality.
Rule #2: See Rule #1

[gullok@mastodon.social]

@joho would like to hear a reason to worry about this that does not imply that one might be a child predator.

[nawer_rapter@mastodon.social]

@gullok @joho a gay person in Russia.

[gullok@mastodon.social]

@Nawer_Rapter @joho how is age related with sexual orientation?

[nawer_rapter@mastodon.social]

@gullok @joho ...
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I think you can imagine what "getting your ID before entering in a computer" implies, well before age related issues.
Besides that, treating children (specially teenagers) like livestock without agency instead of valid persons with valid thoughts and a valid ability to contribute to culture and society feels beyond wrong.
But that's about minor's rights, and by what you said you wouldn't even allow them to vote with some arbitrary "they're stupid" logic.

[timwardcam@c.im]

@joho I did always try to follow rule #1 when passing laws as an elected politician (councillors don't get to pass much in the way of laws, but planning policies count as they have legal force and real effects on real people).

[pouakai@mastodon.social]

@joho
*a brief history of how democratic countries fall.

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@gullok @joho suddenly having your lifestyle made illegal

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@gullok @joho

Blackmail when the DB gets leaked because you're at something that your employer doesn't like

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@gullok @joho

Expecting to have the barest fucking trace of privacy and dignity

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@gullok @joho

The data processor being subject to the Cloud act and you get sanctioned by the US for human rights activism and you can't use banking any more

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@gullok @joho

Getting lynched because a bunch of neo-Nazis got your info from a leak and they class you as an undesirable

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@gullok @joho
The fact that there has already been a complete failure to protect the data in existing solutions

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@gullok @joho

[gullok@mastodon.social]

@davey_cakes @joho what do you mean by a potentially “illegal lifestyle” here?

[energisch_@troet.cafe]

@joho and to give your passport data to criminals

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@gullok @joho

- religion or apostasy
- sexuality
- being trans
- drinking
- singing
- wearing particular clothes
- having certain political views
- dancing
- having a job

There's a long fuckin list, lad

[gullok@mastodon.social]

@Nawer_Rapter @joho I hear you, it does sound like different problems right? Being able to vote or use the internet is not necessarily connected with being underage, but some platforms are illegal for underaged for a reason, and companies providing such services to underage kids are the ones that need to be punished for, interestingly enough, treating them as livestock.

[pecet@f3d1.eu]

@joho Scan your face or upload id if you have different political opinions than ruling party.

[iju@mastodon.social]

@gullok @Nawer_Rapter @joho

They're not asking solely age. Remember that the drive to ask for IDs is led by Meta. They're using this platform partly to divert blame, but also part to increase the accuracy of their profiles. Which everyone has, as Facebook has cookies on vast majority of websites, not just their own.

Second, they're not asking age solely on sites intended for kids, but on places where people would talk of their politics and preferences. Such as, say, gay person in Russia.