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  • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

    Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

    Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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    #5

    @Floppy Decentralize everything.

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    • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

      Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

      Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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      #6

      @Floppy
      Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

      floppy@mastodon.me.ukF hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH rletot@mamot.frR devnull@mamot.frD gavinisdie@masto.aiG 9 Replies Last reply
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      • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

        @Floppy
        Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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        #7

        @vvilhelmus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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        • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

          Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

          Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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          #8

          @Floppy damn I fucking hope the readline guy doesn't turn out to be a fascist.

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          • dequbed@mastodon.chaosfield.atD dequbed@mastodon.chaosfield.at

            @Floppy damn I fucking hope the readline guy doesn't turn out to be a fascist.

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            #9

            @dequbed @Floppy I was gonna say "He ded"
            But he's actually still alive, and seems to be okay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Fox_(programmer)

            And on the current maintainer, based on his latest blog post, he also seems to have the heart at the right place, at least at the time of writing. https://chetramey.blogspot.com/2014/03/keystone-again.html

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            • honkhonkhonkhonkho.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gyH honkhonkhonkhonkho.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy

              The "turns out" is rather load bearing since anyone with basic social competencies has usually gone "whoah that guy is an asshole" decades before he does the roman salute, but get told "nooo it's just his special way of working you have to respect his skills" by nerds.

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              #10

              @honkhonkhonkhonkho.bsky.social @Floppy

              Powerful "I Only Listen To Bands You Haven't Heard Of" energy there

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              • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                @Floppy
                Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                #11

                @vvilhelmus @Floppy ah yes, fascism is when you put labels on people 💀

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                • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                  @Floppy
                  Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                  #12

                  @vvilhelmus
                  Nope
                  @Floppy

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                  • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                    @Floppy
                    Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                    #13

                    @vvilhelmus No, it isn't! DHH is actually a fascist. Mullvad CEO is a fucking fascist, many tech corpos are run by actual fascists funding far right parties, promoting far right propaganda and providing surveillance tech to war criminals to help them commit genocides faster…

                    Far right cops arrest, deport and kill people for not being white…

                    If you can't see the problem and you equate fascists hate speech and mass killing to "putting labels on contributors", you're part of the problem…

                    @Floppy

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                    • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                      Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                      Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                      #14

                      @Floppy

                      It does sometimes seem like this, doesn't it?

                      However: One of the several real world cases that have cropped up over the years with that picture has been ntpd, and in fairness I don't think that the world knew what David L. Mills's politics were at all, or knows now.

                      There are a lot of quiet people like that. We've no idea what Herbert Xu, maintainer of the shell (dash) that runs much in Debian and Ubuntu, believes politically, for example.

                      #ntp #dash

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                      • jdebp@mastodon.me.ukJ jdebp@mastodon.me.uk

                        @Floppy

                        It does sometimes seem like this, doesn't it?

                        However: One of the several real world cases that have cropped up over the years with that picture has been ntpd, and in fairness I don't think that the world knew what David L. Mills's politics were at all, or knows now.

                        There are a lot of quiet people like that. We've no idea what Herbert Xu, maintainer of the shell (dash) that runs much in Debian and Ubuntu, believes politically, for example.

                        #ntp #dash

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                        #15

                        @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

                        A fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF hjvt@hachyderm.ioH flesh@transfem.socialF H 6 Replies Last reply
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                        • jdebp@mastodon.me.ukJ jdebp@mastodon.me.uk

                          @Floppy

                          It does sometimes seem like this, doesn't it?

                          However: One of the several real world cases that have cropped up over the years with that picture has been ntpd, and in fairness I don't think that the world knew what David L. Mills's politics were at all, or knows now.

                          There are a lot of quiet people like that. We've no idea what Herbert Xu, maintainer of the shell (dash) that runs much in Debian and Ubuntu, believes politically, for example.

                          #ntp #dash

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                          #16

                          @JdeBP @Floppy what's worse, a fascist or a cryptofascist?

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                          • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

                            @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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                            #17

                            @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy we are all involved in politics. It's just that some people put time and energy into thinking about how to be involved in politics.

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                            • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

                              @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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                              #18

                              @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy depends what you mean by 'politics'; all your actions are political. Perhaps you already act on that idea via the (dubious) concept of 'voting with your wallet'.

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                              • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

                                @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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                                #19

                                @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
                                Everyone is involved in politics by virtue of living in a society.

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                                • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                                  Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                                  Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                                  #20

                                  @Floppy ok, so you have certain percentage of fascist-made-but-still-free-code, which you can fork.

                                  But with corporate infrastructure, fsscists can take over everything and you have no longer right to fork.

                                  As long as it is free and open source, it is just that you are perphaps using something made by someone who turned out to be asshole later, but it works and will work. With true fascists, you are inside concentration camp and has to subdue to whatever the camp fuhrer tells you to do.

                                  However you may dislike this, fascism is a system: system of hierarchy, control and power. Something like "standalone fascist" is nonsense. Someone with stupid behaviour and ideas, if not organized, is just asshole, not "fascist".

                                  Fascism is working, deadly social machinery - not individual psychiv disorder.

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                                  • kfdm@social.tsun.coK kfdm@social.tsun.co

                                    @Floppy I wish I could downvote this, but the frequency in which this has been happening lately is very sad. I mourn being able to (naively) believe that tech was more altruistic than this 😢

                                    Even worse somehow is the hill that people are willing to die on. Sure, it's painful to our pride to admit mistakes, but are we all so bad at learning how to empathize and improve 😭

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                                    #21

                                    @kfdm @Floppy this doesn't surprise me at all 😕

                                    Give a person a platform and they will open their mouth.

                                    It's well known engineers are way overrepresented in extremist circles, as islamic and right wing terrorists...

                                    I reckon it has something to do with black and white thinking. And maybe lack of humanities in education...

                                    https://goodauthority.org/news/this-new-book-explains-why-so-many-islamist-extremists-have-studied-engineering/

                                    #politics

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                                    • A andydearden@mastodon.green

                                      @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy we are all involved in politics. It's just that some people put time and energy into thinking about how to be involved in politics.

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                                      #22

                                      @AndyDearden @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
                                      Life is political

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                                      • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                                        Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                                        Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                                        #23

                                        @Floppy Maybe we shouldn't use projects that are led

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                                        • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

                                          @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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                                          #24

                                          @citadel9@cyberplace.social @JdeBP@mastodon.me.uk @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I mean, everyone developing software is involved in politics by default.

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