Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)
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Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?@vvilhelmus @Floppy ah yes, fascism is when you put labels on people
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Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?@vvilhelmus No, it isn't! DHH is actually a fascist. Mullvad CEO is a fucking fascist, many tech corpos are run by actual fascists funding far right parties, promoting far right propaganda and providing surveillance tech to war criminals to help them commit genocides faster…
Far right cops arrest, deport and kill people for not being white…
If you can't see the problem and you equate fascists hate speech and mass killing to "putting labels on contributors", you're part of the problem…
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Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)
Probably needs more arrows, tbh
It does sometimes seem like this, doesn't it?
However: One of the several real world cases that have cropped up over the years with that picture has been ntpd, and in fairness I don't think that the world knew what David L. Mills's politics were at all, or knows now.
There are a lot of quiet people like that. We've no idea what Herbert Xu, maintainer of the shell (dash) that runs much in Debian and Ubuntu, believes politically, for example.
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It does sometimes seem like this, doesn't it?
However: One of the several real world cases that have cropped up over the years with that picture has been ntpd, and in fairness I don't think that the world knew what David L. Mills's politics were at all, or knows now.
There are a lot of quiet people like that. We've no idea what Herbert Xu, maintainer of the shell (dash) that runs much in Debian and Ubuntu, believes politically, for example.
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It does sometimes seem like this, doesn't it?
However: One of the several real world cases that have cropped up over the years with that picture has been ntpd, and in fairness I don't think that the world knew what David L. Mills's politics were at all, or knows now.
There are a lot of quiet people like that. We've no idea what Herbert Xu, maintainer of the shell (dash) that runs much in Debian and Ubuntu, believes politically, for example.
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Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)
Probably needs more arrows, tbh
@Floppy ok, so you have certain percentage of fascist-made-but-still-free-code, which you can fork.
But with corporate infrastructure, fsscists can take over everything and you have no longer right to fork.
As long as it is free and open source, it is just that you are perphaps using something made by someone who turned out to be asshole later, but it works and will work. With true fascists, you are inside concentration camp and has to subdue to whatever the camp fuhrer tells you to do.
However you may dislike this, fascism is a system: system of hierarchy, control and power. Something like "standalone fascist" is nonsense. Someone with stupid behaviour and ideas, if not organized, is just asshole, not "fascist".
Fascism is working, deadly social machinery - not individual psychiv disorder.
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@Floppy I wish I could downvote this, but the frequency in which this has been happening lately is very sad. I mourn being able to (naively) believe that tech was more altruistic than this
Even worse somehow is the hill that people are willing to die on. Sure, it's painful to our pride to admit mistakes, but are we all so bad at learning how to empathize and improve
@kfdm @Floppy this doesn't surprise me at all
Give a person a platform and they will open their mouth.
It's well known engineers are way overrepresented in extremist circles, as islamic and right wing terrorists...
I reckon it has something to do with black and white thinking. And maybe lack of humanities in education...
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@AndyDearden @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
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Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)
Probably needs more arrows, tbh
@Floppy Maybe we shouldn't use projects that are led
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@citadel9@cyberplace.social @JdeBP@mastodon.me.uk @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I mean, everyone developing software is involved in politics by default.
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Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)
Probably needs more arrows, tbh
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Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)
Probably needs more arrows, tbh
@Floppy
Did the xz utils guy turn out to be fascist? Did I miss something? If not, then sorry, but that one random person in Nebraska still remains among all the assholes building upon his/her work to enslave all of us. -
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Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?@vvilhelmus @Floppy what
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@kfdm @Floppy this doesn't surprise me at all
Give a person a platform and they will open their mouth.
It's well known engineers are way overrepresented in extremist circles, as islamic and right wing terrorists...
I reckon it has something to do with black and white thinking. And maybe lack of humanities in education...
@janvenetor @kfdm @Floppy no, it has to do with desirable (for the extremists) practical skills like blowing things up. Blowing hot air isn’t anywhere as valuable as humanities types believe.
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@janvenetor @kfdm @Floppy no, it has to do with desirable (for the extremists) practical skills like blowing things up. Blowing hot air isn’t anywhere as valuable as humanities types believe.
@fazalmajid @kfdm @Floppy see the linked book, skills do not factor in it per the research.
"We find that engineers are no more likely than other graduates to cover technical roles, such as bomb making [...] What engineers learn at university is unlikely to make them more practically proficient at bomb making than former military or car mechanics. [...] many non-Islamist extremist groups have been skillful at bomb making without engineers in their ranks."
