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  3. So apparently all the coordination, planning and communications for organising No Kings events on Instagram have disappeared and the account admins have been suspended.

So apparently all the coordination, planning and communications for organising No Kings events on Instagram have disappeared and the account admins have been suspended.

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  • tomjennings@tldr.nettime.orgT tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org

    @Remittancegirl

    Right. There's no back to go to, though I didn't have that in mind. All i meant is it means not swallowing the ideologies and myths about the Internet as freedom. The 1995 promises (implications, really) run deep. Phone lines were bad enough; but they were at least regulated, fwiw. Those don't even exist any more.

    We have Internet tools that work, but none of them are "convenient" in the way meta google apple's are. Almost no one I know irl wil change their the daily habits. Its maddening and frustrating.

    Maybe metas recent act will have some effect.

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    #140

    @tomjennings I'm going to say something that sounds harsh, and I don't enjoy saying it.

    The people who won't change their habits simply aren't in enough pain yet.

    But also, I think, we've been brainwashed into believing that democracy is easy - that it should be easy.

    And for a while, for many, it really was. But no more.

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    • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

      @tomjennings I'm going to say something that sounds harsh, and I don't enjoy saying it.

      The people who won't change their habits simply aren't in enough pain yet.

      But also, I think, we've been brainwashed into believing that democracy is easy - that it should be easy.

      And for a while, for many, it really was. But no more.

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      #141

      @Remittancegirl

      I think you are correct.

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      • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

        So apparently all the coordination, planning and communications for organising No Kings events on Instagram have disappeared and the account admins have been suspended.

        So... here's the thing:

        DON'T PLAN YOUR REVOLUTION ON THE KING'S BLACKBOARD.

        The fact that organisers are depending on the availability of a platform run by any of the tech bros... well, it makes me think you aren't a terribly effective opposition.

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        #142

        @Remittancegirl Oh, that's wonderful opsec.

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        • the_gneech@meow.socialT the_gneech@meow.social

          @Remittancegirl If you’re trying to get the people involved, you have to go where the people are

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          @the_gneech @Remittancegirl You have to reach them, but if they’re all locked in a nazi bar in which all non-nazi utterances are punished by banishment then paying entry to that nazi isn’t the way to acomplish that.

          Face it, those exclusively locked into the big tech siloes are a lost cause. Until the siloes are broken.

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          • kimsj@mastodon.socialK kimsj@mastodon.social

            @tasket @roblosricos
            Sadly, that would just get them cancelled faster.

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            #144

            @KimSJ @tasket

            i bet you anything they just start a new account with instagram, or make a facebook group.

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            • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

              So apparently all the coordination, planning and communications for organising No Kings events on Instagram have disappeared and the account admins have been suspended.

              So... here's the thing:

              DON'T PLAN YOUR REVOLUTION ON THE KING'S BLACKBOARD.

              The fact that organisers are depending on the availability of a platform run by any of the tech bros... well, it makes me think you aren't a terribly effective opposition.

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              #145

              @Remittancegirl

              This is honestly my biggest break with activist communities, and my biggest personal frustration.

              I have been consistently mocked for my allegiance to OSS platforms and my disdain for mainstream ones. I've been told several times how the goals of OSS are a sky-castle that can never be (nevermind that we actually *did it*).

              And then something like this happens.

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              • emc2@indieweb.socialE emc2@indieweb.social

                @Remittancegirl

                This is honestly my biggest break with activist communities, and my biggest personal frustration.

                I have been consistently mocked for my allegiance to OSS platforms and my disdain for mainstream ones. I've been told several times how the goals of OSS are a sky-castle that can never be (nevermind that we actually *did it*).

                And then something like this happens.

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                #146

                @emc2 It has to be both frustrating and bewildering.

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                  #147

                  @DaveRussell We all need a little more cognac. It's going to be a long few years.

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                  • realcainmosni@mastodon.me.ukR realcainmosni@mastodon.me.uk

                    @Remittancegirl Oh, that's wonderful opsec.

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                    #148

                    @realcainmosni I have no idea what that means.

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                    • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                      @realcainmosni I have no idea what that means.

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                      #149

                      @Remittancegirl "Opsec": operational security. Keeping your operations safe from external interference, and your secrets secret.

                      Relying on your adversary for the resources you need for your operations seems a trifle - shall we say - "foolish"?

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