So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
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So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️@hvangalen@mastodon.nl I htink the easiest way to describe is "vibes based"
if I focus on the thinking it will take the form of a dialogue, but as I read or just exist, it'll mostly just be shapeless thoughts yeah -
So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️I need my inner voice to shut the fuck up he’s an asshole
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I need my inner voice to shut the fuck up he’s an asshole
@banneduser Yeah I can imagine that sucks
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So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️@hvangalen
I misread the poll and voted for number one…you can disregard. Very sorry.
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So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️@hvangalen @mayintoronto I probably don't have aphantasia¹ and for me it's definitely in words or at least fragmented word-thoughts.
¹ I have a very good visual memory for things, as I found out when I took up recreational bicycling and reliably recognized places we'd been before, but when I picture things in my mind they're generally at least somewhat abstract and when I can reconstruct in my mind what something looks like, it's a tedious exercise, it's not a picture that snaps into being.
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@hvangalen @mayintoronto I probably don't have aphantasia¹ and for me it's definitely in words or at least fragmented word-thoughts.
¹ I have a very good visual memory for things, as I found out when I took up recreational bicycling and reliably recognized places we'd been before, but when I picture things in my mind they're generally at least somewhat abstract and when I can reconstruct in my mind what something looks like, it's a tedious exercise, it's not a picture that snaps into being.
Personally it's inconceivable to me that people are able to picture things in their mind clearly. It feels like they're lying when they make this claim. I understand intellectually that perhaps they are not, but that's how implausible it seems.
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So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️@hvangalen Aphantasia and neither answer seems right.
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So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️This needs to multiple choice. I an not aphantasia but sometimes its a monologue, sometimes vibes, sometimes music
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@hvangalen @mayintoronto I probably don't have aphantasia¹ and for me it's definitely in words or at least fragmented word-thoughts.
¹ I have a very good visual memory for things, as I found out when I took up recreational bicycling and reliably recognized places we'd been before, but when I picture things in my mind they're generally at least somewhat abstract and when I can reconstruct in my mind what something looks like, it's a tedious exercise, it's not a picture that snaps into being.
@mayintoronto @cks This reads like aphantasia to me, to be honest.
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Personally it's inconceivable to me that people are able to picture things in their mind clearly. It feels like they're lying when they make this claim. I understand intellectually that perhaps they are not, but that's how implausible it seems.
@cks I know right? But apparently they can and my brain can't comprehend how
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@hvangalen Aphantasia and neither answer seems right.
@ElyseMGrasso So is it a combination of things or... No inner dialogue at all?
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This needs to multiple choice. I an not aphantasia but sometimes its a monologue, sometimes vibes, sometimes music
@KanaMauna I am realising that as well. This requires more options or a multiple of polls.
Very interesting how minds work!
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@ElyseMGrasso So is it a combination of things or... No inner dialogue at all?
@hvangalen It's complicated. But dialogue is very much the wrong word for any of it, I think, since it implies questions and answers between two entities. There isn't anything to have a dialogue with: it's all just me, connecting with things and ideas and noticing 3rd party connections between exterior things and ideas. And the verbal part (there's a LOT of verbal) is at least as likely to be storytelling, narrative, as it is to be a commentary on events and my surroundings or internalities.
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@hvangalen It's complicated. But dialogue is very much the wrong word for any of it, I think, since it implies questions and answers between two entities. There isn't anything to have a dialogue with: it's all just me, connecting with things and ideas and noticing 3rd party connections between exterior things and ideas. And the verbal part (there's a LOT of verbal) is at least as likely to be storytelling, narrative, as it is to be a commentary on events and my surroundings or internalities.
@ElyseMGrasso @hvangalen No aphantasia, and very much like Elyse, only I'd add in a very bizarre sense of balance. Options in decision-making have mass. Visualised components have tangible levels of elegance and "rightness". Mental calculations, particularly when estimating things like the number of boxes needed to pack up a house are weighed on the balance and adjusted until they feel right.
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@hvangalen It's complicated. But dialogue is very much the wrong word for any of it, I think, since it implies questions and answers between two entities. There isn't anything to have a dialogue with: it's all just me, connecting with things and ideas and noticing 3rd party connections between exterior things and ideas. And the verbal part (there's a LOT of verbal) is at least as likely to be storytelling, narrative, as it is to be a commentary on events and my surroundings or internalities.
@ElyseMGrasso Yeah perhaps monologue is a better term in hindsight.
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@falcennial Yeah it's an interesting "affliction"! I first read about it a decade ago, blissfully unaware it was a thing. The author of the article also thought that "too see it in ones mind" was a figure of speech and not a real thing
I struggle reading books because of it. It really takes a toll to try and make sense of descriptions of environments, I just skip them but later they seemed crucial to the plot and it flies all over my head. I can read manuals and historic annals just fine.
It's only a couple of years since I realised that there were people who can see things with their eyes shut. I thought "the mind's eye" and the like were just figures of speech.
I have Prospagnosia as well, and didn't work that out until a few years ago. I don't think there's any correlation between them, as far as I know. -
So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️@hvangalen As someone who does not think in words until the thoughts need to be expressed to others: Wow, is this honestly the less common attribute? Because that would explain a lot.
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So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️@hvangalen This was difficult to answer. I'm Aphantastic and when I decide to think about something there's i guess speech-like something to it, but also vibes when I'm not actively thinking about something? Like I'm pretty good at just shutting off the internal noise.
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So I just read something and that makes me wonder...
Do people with aphantasia (like myself) more often have an inner dialogue that is "speech-like", you know actually speaking words in a language
Or (like me), more often just "vibes" and their inner thoughts only becomes language once these need to be expressed
(I also added the options for people who have no aphantasia [have phantasia I guess] so we can compare results
)Boosting is appreciated
️@hvangalen my inner monologue used to be speech-like but has become more vibes only in my 40s
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@ElyseMGrasso @hvangalen No aphantasia, and very much like Elyse, only I'd add in a very bizarre sense of balance. Options in decision-making have mass. Visualised components have tangible levels of elegance and "rightness". Mental calculations, particularly when estimating things like the number of boxes needed to pack up a house are weighed on the balance and adjusted until they feel right.
@AbramKedge @hvangalen I don't do mass, I don't think, but I do 3D packing very well. Fill a pickup truck with topper completely while leaving a view port from the rear-view mirror to the back gate. Fill a milk crate with odd shaped squashes making as much use of the available volume as possible, but so the next crate stacked on top won't damage any of the squashes...
I'm not sure how that works without visualization. It's probably related to being good at jigsaw puzzles without visualization.
