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  3. Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital.

Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital.

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

    Fuck Google.

    muddle@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #16

    @JulianOliver Yup. And the whole "prefer this site on google" button (or however it's phrased) is just more of the same shit that they've been peddling since they dropped "don't be evil" as a slogan.

    (reader: they've always been evil)

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    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

      Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

      Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

      The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

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      #17

      @JulianOliver
      That's why they put 'don't be evil' aside.
      They like to be evil

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      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

        Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

        Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

        The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

        peoplearepower@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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        #18

        @JulianOliver These bloody things are just environmental vandalism writ large.

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        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

          Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

          Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

          The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

          https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

          shom@gts.shom.devS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #19

          @JulianOliver this is nauseating. I used to worry how future generations would judge us, but I don't know if I need to worry about future generations. Mother Earth will not have mercy on us.

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          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

            Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

            Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

            The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

            https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

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            failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to
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            #20

            @JulianOliver

            this is just faux outrage

            far as I can tell, Finnish Industry cuts down 30 million trees a year, mostly for lumber

            however, the topsoil removal might be bad, dunno

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            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

              We traditionally associate mining with such ecocidal environmental erasure, metals and minerals. And yet this is very much the site of a modern mine, one whose minerals are human culture, knowledge, creativity and desire.

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              jjarv@mastodon.social
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              #21

              @JulianOliver This is what happens when you put a few civil servants from a small municipality (Muhos has a population of about 9,000 people) up against a global multinational. They didn’t stand a chance against the pressure from both politicians and Google. The latest news about the case was that the Prime Minister’s Office tried to hide correspondence between Finnish Prime Minister Orpo and Google. It all reeks of corruption.

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              • azonenberg@ioc.exchangeA azonenberg@ioc.exchange

                @JulianOliver Have a court sell the wood at auction and donate the proceeds to charity or something? No sense letting it go to waste.

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                #22

                @azonenberg @JulianOliver Use it to make the gallows we'll need for dealing with all of these monsters.

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                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                  Fuck Google.

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                  #23

                  @JulianOliver fucking falls short of everything that's called for. Bury them under the wood they chopped and set it on fire.

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                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                    Fuck Google.

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                    #24

                    @JulianOliver tropical countries face environmental problems due to resource extraction, specifically mining. on the other hand, cold countries, such as the nordic and scandinavian nations, experience issues arising from data center construction

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                    • 401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 401matthall@mastodon.xyz

                      @moelassus

                      I know, I know. Corruption is problem _everywhere_ but... I kinda thought the Finns had it together on this kind of stuff.

                      Like... Slap Google with the equivalent of eminent domain. Take the land back, fine the ever loving shit out of them and if they drag their feat or dissemble start seizing existing property to hold as a bond against the unpaid fine.

                      Like... Slap 'em.

                      ...

                      Does this stuff not work? Am I a child?

                      @JulianOliver

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                      #25

                      @401matthall @moelassus @JulianOliver
                      And ban Google, and all subsidiaries and related companies from ever owning land in Finland. Confiscate all of it. And have all parts of the state migrate to non-google options for everything.

                      That would be a reasonable consequence. So it ain't happening.

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                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                        Fuck Google.

                        themadhatter@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        themadhatter@mastodon.social
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                        #26

                        @JulianOliver but business as usual for #bigtech. First pull the trigger, if caught just say "oh no! We didn't know that, we're very sorry!"
                        There will be no legislation against these guys.

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                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                          Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

                          Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

                          The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

                          https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

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                          #27

                          @JulianOliver

                          But.
                          When they sold the ground to Google what did they think Google would do there? Plant flowers?

                          No, they knew Google builds datacenters and many trees have to be chopped down. They just thought they could regulate that a bit.

                          Well, it seems Google has calculated that it can shorten the process at an acceptable cost.

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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            Fuck Google.

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                            themadhatter@mastodon.social
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                            #28

                            @JulianOliver also fuck google:
                            https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117486640580354820

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