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  • joepie91@fedi.slightly.techJ joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech

    @paulschoe Here's to hoping that this doesn't come at the cost (again) of disability accommodations... as not everyone can write in school and this has been a whole Thing in the past

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    #4

    @joepie91 @paulschoe How did we get from the Dynabook and the Alto to going back to paper?

    The people who came up with the laptop and tablet idea had education and kids specifically in mind. They brought kids in to play with the Alto to improve the GUI.

    What went wrong?

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      @joepie91 @paulschoe How did we get from the Dynabook and the Alto to going back to paper?

      The people who came up with the laptop and tablet idea had education and kids specifically in mind. They brought kids in to play with the Alto to improve the GUI.

      What went wrong?

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      #5

      @mike805 @joepie91

      AI in every classroom - that's what went wrong.

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      • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

        This is interesting news.

        Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

        The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

        Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
        #Education #Reading

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        #6

        I think parallel to learning how to read and (hand)write, today's children need to get taught when and how to use (and NOT to use) electronic devices. A terrifyingly big percentage will not get that from their parents sufficiently.

        @paulschoe

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        • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

          @mike805 @joepie91

          AI in every classroom - that's what went wrong.

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          #7

          @paulschoe @joepie91 Things had gone wrong before AI. Laptops and tablets in classrooms were proven to underperform paper and pencil pre-COVID and therefore pre-AI.

          The available distractions were part of the problem, but so far we just do not know how to make software that teaches as effectively as reading and writing does.

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          • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

            This is interesting news.

            Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

            The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

            Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
            #Education #Reading

            teacherthomas@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @paulschoe When I am learning lines for a play, I find that writing them down on pen and paper helps me retain what I'm saying and doing. The act of writing and processing also gives my brain time to really chew on the words and their meaning.

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            • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

              This is interesting news.

              Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

              The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

              Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
              #Education #Reading

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              #9

              @paulschoe the (not so) subtle allusion about children activating complex neural networks is not lost on me

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              • teacherthomas@mastodon.socialT teacherthomas@mastodon.social

                @paulschoe When I am learning lines for a play, I find that writing them down on pen and paper helps me retain what I'm saying and doing. The act of writing and processing also gives my brain time to really chew on the words and their meaning.

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                #10

                @TeacherThomas

                Totally agree. When learning a new language, it is the combination of writing and verbally repeating that triggers my memory. Typing doesn't have the same effect.

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                • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                  This is interesting news.

                  Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

                  The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

                  Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
                  #Education #Reading

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                  #11

                  @paulschoe This is what teachers everywhere were already telling for a decade or longer, also in Germany. They saw the first signs very early after the smartphoneization and tabletization of the kids started.
                  But who listens to concerned teachers anyway, eh?

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                  • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                    This is interesting news.

                    Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

                    The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

                    Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
                    #Education #Reading

                    xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #12

                    @paulschoe

                    Learning is best started without the use of any tools, by simply reasoning, thinking and developing skills...

                    It all makes a lot of sense.

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                    • xs4me2@mastodon.socialX xs4me2@mastodon.social

                      @paulschoe

                      Learning is best started without the use of any tools, by simply reasoning, thinking and developing skills...

                      It all makes a lot of sense.

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                      #13

                      @xs4me2 @paulschoe That risks privileging some particular epistemologies above others because it pushes hard towards words and abstracts when implemented. Experience is important: it includes knowledge not available through words and symbols, and matches the learning needs and potentials of young children. Tools are essential from the very start. Not those horrid electronic tablets, though. Those are all about replacing experience with a thin simulacrum, about fooling us into thinking that we've experienced something when, in fact, all we've had is the cognitive–sensory equivalent of crappy (yet incredibly satisfying) fast food.

                      I've been fighting with my son's teachers (and indeed my son) about this since the beginning. He's 16 now and has come to realise that I was right all along, and has largely abandoned the digital stuff where he can in favour of handwriting. He's working on his handwriting quite hard now because he's coming to understand that it is not merely a ritual convention, but a cognitive tool for manipulating information.

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                      • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                        This is interesting news.

                        Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

                        The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

                        Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
                        #Education #Reading

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                        #14

                        @paulschoe

                        Great news. And of course it’s simple really: Using a keyboard is typing. Using a pen or pencil is writing.

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                        • xs4me2@mastodon.socialX xs4me2@mastodon.social

                          @paulschoe

                          Learning is best started without the use of any tools, by simply reasoning, thinking and developing skills...

                          It all makes a lot of sense.

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                          #15

                          @xs4me2 @paulschoe
                          the best would be a mix of everything so child can profit. Children are individuals and one size fits all is a bs idea, even in learning

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                          • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                            This is interesting news.

                            Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

                            The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

                            Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
                            #Education #Reading

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                            #16

                            @paulschoe Guess they saw it as detracting from actually being able to think.

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                            • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                              This is interesting news.

                              Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

                              The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

                              Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
                              #Education #Reading

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                              #17

                              @paulschoe it gives us hope to know that someone, somewhere in the world is making the right call. we wish it were anywhere we lived, but still.

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                                #18

                                @Susan60 @paulschoe

                                “If we used tablets where we wrote by hand with a stylus, would that reduce the nastiness online? Would we feel that we were engaging in a more personal way with others? Would empathy be generated more often?”

                                I’m not that optimistic it would improve the general tenor online directly, but a lot more insults and flame wars would die out almost immediately due to mutual illegibility.

                                On the broader subject, I got a refurb’d reMarkable tablet from Woot earlier this year, and I use it just for handwriting notes for work. And it’s been way more useful than I ever expected. Expensive luxury, yes absolutely. Also kind of an ADHD crutch (don’t have multiple loose legal pads floating around, just the one expensive device with half a dozen digital notebooks).

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                                • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                                  News and picture from a LinkedIn post by Marcel Norbart.

                                  https://www.linkedin.com/posts/marcelnorbart_swedish-education-officials-are-investing-share-7486271166492377088-b9-Y/

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                                  #19

                                  @paulschoe I would appreciate a scientific source.

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                                  • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                                    This is interesting news.

                                    Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

                                    The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

                                    Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
                                    #Education #Reading

                                    mauriziano@lile.clM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #20

                                    @paulschoe Es verdad, que vuelva los textos escritos que estimulan la escritura, así como el desarrollo cerebral

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                                    • paulschoe@mastodon.worldP paulschoe@mastodon.world

                                      This is interesting news.

                                      Swedish education officials are investing heavily again in traditional printed textbooks.

                                      The national strategy aims to phase out digital devices for children under the age of six entirely, following a drop in international reading assessment scores.

                                      Research indicates that the physical act of handwriting activates complex neural networks governing motor skills, vision, memory, and language-cognitive benefits that are largely lost on a keyboard.
                                      #Education #Reading

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                                      #21

                                      @paulschoe This has been a great move for you people and France also recently had started a ban on young children using electronic computer devices.
                                      True,they have been robbing the writing skills from young learners.
                                      Here in Uganda,you cannot find a child at six years when she/he knows how to use a computer and this has not been affecting us

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                                      • manu@social.tchncs.deM manu@social.tchncs.de

                                        @paulschoe I would appreciate a scientific source.

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                                        #22

                                        @manu
                                        +1

                                        @paulschoe

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                                          #23

                                          @kauer
                                          mostly abelist but at least there isn't even a source
                                          @paulschoe

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