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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

    If you live outside of the United States,
    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

    What would happen to your work?

    What would happen to your hospitals?

    What would happen to your emergency services?

    What would happen to your banks?

    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

    What would happen?
    Is your country prepared?

    #DataSovereignty

    bzdev@fosstodon.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
    bzdev@fosstodon.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
    bzdev@fosstodon.org
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #121

    @Em0nM4stodon What will happen (long term) is that trumpista arrogance will marginalize the U.S., which has historically received significant benefits for being viewed as a stable and trustworthy country with respect to finances, etc. This won't happen overnight but I imagine that everyone is nervous and are planning how to limit any dependency on the U.S. You'll probably see a migration from Windows or MacOS to Linux, just to limit exposure.

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    • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

      @Em0nM4stodon What will happen (long term) is that trumpista arrogance will marginalize the U.S., which has historically received significant benefits for being viewed as a stable and trustworthy country with respect to finances, etc. This won't happen overnight but I imagine that everyone is nervous and are planning how to limit any dependency on the U.S. You'll probably see a migration from Windows or MacOS to Linux, just to limit exposure.

      me@social.jlamothe.netM This user is from outside of this forum
      me@social.jlamothe.netM This user is from outside of this forum
      me@social.jlamothe.net
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #122

      @bzdev @Em0nM4stodon The thing that worries me the most about this is how much of the internet's backbone infrastructure is controlled by the US. The 13 root servers that bootstrap the DNS system that the whole modern internet depends on are all located in the US.

      It's a bigger problem than most people realise.

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        If you live outside of the United States,
        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

        What would happen to your work?

        What would happen to your hospitals?

        What would happen to your emergency services?

        What would happen to your banks?

        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

        What would happen?
        Is your country prepared?

        #DataSovereignty

        negative12dollarbill@techhub.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
        negative12dollarbill@techhub.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
        negative12dollarbill@techhub.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #123

        @Em0nM4stodon My workplace would fall apart completely if either Google or Microsoft went away. Billion-dollar corporation in Australia.

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

          hydro_salmon@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
          hydro_salmon@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
          hydro_salmon@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #124

          @Em0nM4stodon

          Maybe this would be a good thing, to give people the push they need to stop using those and move to better alternatives.

          In my personal life, I don't depend on any of those. But I would be impacted as my employer depend on those. At the same time, I see more job opportunities outside the US if this ever happens.

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            drewph@c.imD This user is from outside of this forum
            drewph@c.imD This user is from outside of this forum
            drewph@c.im
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #125

            @Em0nM4stodon
            My adopted country (Philippines) would die on its arse. Google is everywhere in large companies, Facebook is everywhere in small companies. Microsoft probably less of a problem because almost every copy of Windows and Office is almost certainly pirated.

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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              If you live outside of the United States,
              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

              What would happen to your work?

              What would happen to your hospitals?

              What would happen to your emergency services?

              What would happen to your banks?

              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

              What would happen?
              Is your country prepared?

              #DataSovereignty

              andykotlarz@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
              andykotlarz@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
              andykotlarz@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #126

              @Em0nM4stodon
              Actually, it's more than just a Windows and Google thing - it's about AI. If Artificial Intelligence starts getting out of control and starts heading down Terminator Road, one of the first defenses would be to shut down the internet world-wide.
              Alternatively, if AI goes rogue one of its first actions against humanity would be to shut down the internet.
              Either way, it doesn't look good . . .

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              • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                @Em0nM4stodon What will happen (long term) is that trumpista arrogance will marginalize the U.S., which has historically received significant benefits for being viewed as a stable and trustworthy country with respect to finances, etc. This won't happen overnight but I imagine that everyone is nervous and are planning how to limit any dependency on the U.S. You'll probably see a migration from Windows or MacOS to Linux, just to limit exposure.

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                1sxteenthdane@mstdn.dk
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #127

                @bzdev @Em0nM4stodon I'm just a user in the U.S. and am actively moving to Linux, proton mail, Vivaldi and a Google free phone. Also considering Orange for web hosting. I don't know if it will mitigate any trouble but am comfortable with the choices. To me, the two big questions are, what happens to these hyperscalers when the bubble bursts? and what happens if the Trump and his bros cut internet access to hold power?

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                • mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM mast0d0nphan@beige.party

                  @Em0nM4stodon Say it with me now:

                  The cloud is someone else's computer.

                  nieuemma@mastodon.deN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  nieuemma@mastodon.de
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #128

                  @mast0d0nphan @Em0nM4stodon I thought clouds formed from evaporation and condensation and stuff. Isn't water bad for computers?

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                  • me@social.jlamothe.netM me@social.jlamothe.net
                    @dfs_comedy @Em0nM4stodon Does your bank? Your local grocer? You may be shielded from direct effects, but it almost certainly would affect you in unexpected indirect ways.
                    dfs_comedy@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    dfs_comedy@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #129

                    @me @Em0nM4stodon

                    Yes, I noted that in my post.

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      If you live outside of the United States,
                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                      What would happen to your work?

                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                      What would happen to your banks?

                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                      What would happen?
                      Is your country prepared?

                      #DataSovereignty

                      phil_stevens@mastodon.nzP This user is from outside of this forum
                      phil_stevens@mastodon.nzP This user is from outside of this forum
                      phil_stevens@mastodon.nz
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #130

                      @Em0nM4stodon Don't forget to include Starlink in your list.

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                      • nieuemma@mastodon.deN nieuemma@mastodon.de

                        @mast0d0nphan @Em0nM4stodon I thought clouds formed from evaporation and condensation and stuff. Isn't water bad for computers?

                        em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                        em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #131

                        @nieuemma @mast0d0nphan 😂

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
                          em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
                          em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
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                          #132

                          @Javensbukan Ah yes, excellent point

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            @Javensbukan Ah yes, excellent point

                            javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            javensbukan@cosocial.ca
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                            #133

                            @Em0nM4stodon Maybe that's an idea I can raise to my superiors - they are extremely limited in function - no reason why they couldn't be running not Windows as long as drivers are available.

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                            • javensbukan@cosocial.caJ javensbukan@cosocial.ca

                              @Em0nM4stodon Maybe that's an idea I can raise to my superiors - they are extremely limited in function - no reason why they couldn't be running not Windows as long as drivers are available.

                              em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                              em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #134

                              @Javensbukan I think that's an excellent idea 👍

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                If you live outside of the United States,
                                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                What would happen to your work?

                                What would happen to your hospitals?

                                What would happen to your emergency services?

                                What would happen to your banks?

                                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                What would happen?
                                Is your country prepared?

                                #DataSovereignty

                                meowki@meowstodon.euM This user is from outside of this forum
                                meowki@meowstodon.euM This user is from outside of this forum
                                meowki@meowstodon.eu
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #135

                                @Em0nM4stodon Fully? No. Partially? Yes. My work would do fine though.

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  salty@mastodon.nzS This user is from outside of this forum
                                  salty@mastodon.nzS This user is from outside of this forum
                                  salty@mastodon.nz
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #136

                                  @Em0nM4stodon My company steadfastly refuses (so far) to use hyperscalers for our core business. This is not to say we don't have some important things in AWS - but it would be more of a "grit teeth and deal with it" issue than the end of the business.

                                  But that's the Core. Like practically every other business here we're O365 and the way MS shoves OneDrive down your damn throat in such a way as to make every other storage location practically unusable means that a looooooot of documentation exists solely there.

                                  We'd still be mostly on the air but probably cut off from a lot of our own documentation.

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

                                    mikeimback@mstdn.caM This user is from outside of this forum
                                    mikeimback@mstdn.caM This user is from outside of this forum
                                    mikeimback@mstdn.ca
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #137

                                    @Em0nM4stodon we can start by getting google the hell out of our schools!

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                                    • javensbukan@cosocial.caJ javensbukan@cosocial.ca

                                      @Em0nM4stodon Work in a Hospital in Canada supporting the IT infrastructure - and yeah, we do!

                                      We have an offline physical PC preloaded with PDFs connected to USB printers available at all units in case the main EMR were to somehow spectacularly explode or all internet is lost - they'd revert to paper charting and bust out their pre made downtime kits with workflow instructions.

                                      All units also have 'red phones' using dedicated copper circuits incase cellular or the main digital PBXes fail. 😅

                                      mcnado@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      mcnado@mstdn.social
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #138

                                      @Javensbukan @Em0nM4stodon same deal here in Colorado, USA. We have boxes of paper charts, a big rolling trackboard for the ED, and the red phone. We have an EHR downtime a few times a year, and if it runs more than about 2 hours, we do paper charts for some patients.

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

                                        blinkygal@sunny.gardenB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        blinkygal@sunny.garden
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                                        #139

                                        @Em0nM4stodon AIUI The whole Canadian public service depends on American cloud storage/services so.. we’d be cooked.

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                                        • khleedril@cyberplace.socialK khleedril@cyberplace.social

                                          @Em0nM4stodon Nobody in the US is that stupid, right? Right?

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                                          drwho@masto.hackers.town
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                                          #140

                                          @khleedril @Em0nM4stodon I'm still wondering how some of these people are capable of unassisted respiration.

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