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  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

    People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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    #156

    @CiaraNi AI (including generative AI) is the killer of wonder

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    • josephmeyer@c.imJ josephmeyer@c.im

      @rq4c

      I often think of leaving the internet altogether, and don’t think I would miss it very much. To your points:

      Reaching a broader audience on the internet than an ignoramus could on a soapbox is a bad thing when spreading disinformation is the aim. Let’s give Donald Trump a soapbox, instead.

      I agree that curated sources can contain disinformation. But the internet is more likely to contain disinformation and spreads it more rapidly and farther than a journal article.

      We burned thousands at the stake when disinformation spread by word of mouth. Now we kill hundreds of thousands or millions with weapons and antisocial ideas that are shared among bad people who find and amplify one another on the internet.

      I agree with you that a weak educational system, one that teaches poor critical thinking skills, is a big part of the problem. But I think those who spread disinformation love the uneducated and the internet.

      @CiaraNi

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      #157

      @JosephMeyer
      @CiaraNi

      The Internet has allowed information out where journalists cannot go. It gives a voice to the voiceless. It enables this conversation that would never have happened otherwise.

      By it's nature of speed/spread/anonymity, it has enabled us to see the true depravity of humanity — which was always there. You cannot confront what you cannot see.

      I reject your likelihood assertion: the right-wing press is pure propaganda.

      Banning knives is great, til you have a burst appendix.

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      • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

        A few people have questioned whether I am right to say that the image of a drop of water bursting on a bird's head like a crown actually is AI-generated. They think I may be wrong. That it is not faked. That it is real.

        If I'm wrong, if it really is an unmanipulated photo by a verified human photographer, please do let me know so that I can correct myself and my toot.

        (All this uncertainty is part of the whole problem. We all spend so much human time & energy trying to act in good faith.)

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        #158

        @CiaraNi I fell for AI images several times and it has brought me to a place where I question everything that isn't from one of the photographers I know. I hate all of this.

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        • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

          People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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          #159

          @CiaraNi As a photographer who has experimented with water drop photography, I instantly knew that image was AI. I was surprised it was being passed off as a real image, although in this day and age I probably shouldn't have been.

          It is not possible to do water drop photography casually, as shutter speed alone even on a really high end camera is not enough to freeze the action. It requires the use of a strobe flash in a darkened room to stop the drops.

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          • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

            @CiaraNi The number of scraping bots is meanwhile so immense that you can experience it like Ddos attacks taking your website down.
            And to protect yourself ... difficult until impossible. We need urgently strong regulations.

            @monkee

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            #160

            @NatureMC @CiaraNi @monkee I am retiring from my business as a web designer because I'm tired dealing with the fall out from AI scapers and hackers. What used to be a fun creative job has turned into being a security analyst. Not what I want to be doing.

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            • yacc143@mastodon.socialY yacc143@mastodon.social

              @CiaraNi
              Actually there is.

              AI is a tool like others.

              Now the AI hype (centered on the USA) is an ugly scam, but luckily it seems to lose a bit steam. Or as I call it the times of free handouts from your drug dealer are coming to an end. Claude code has been dropped from pro, max users suddenly running out of quota. GitHub stopping signups and rumours that they want charge by the token.

              Three good times where the bullshit machines were free are coming to an end.
              @stveje

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              #161

              @yacc143 @CiaraNi Alas, just because something is no longer free doesn't mean people won't use it, especially people with more money than good sense/scruples. Or that the technology itself just goes away. And all the slop that's already been generated will continue floating around, getting into everything like digital micro plastic and forever chemicals.

              Even if the bubble pops tomorrow, we haven't seen the end of this. Not even close.

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              • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                A few people have questioned whether I am right to say that the image of a drop of water bursting on a bird's head like a crown actually is AI-generated. They think I may be wrong. That it is not faked. That it is real.

                If I'm wrong, if it really is an unmanipulated photo by a verified human photographer, please do let me know so that I can correct myself and my toot.

                (All this uncertainty is part of the whole problem. We all spend so much human time & energy trying to act in good faith.)

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                #162

                @CiaraNi I think the people boosting the post are acting in good faith... the poster however doubled down when called out

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                • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                  People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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                  #163

                  @CiaraNi It's the same for software. The amount of AI vibe coded slop will make people question software crafted over many years

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                  • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                    @stekopf That posting account takes only photos from elsewhere (not their owns), from often not trustful sources in social media ... and many of these photos are AI-generated. (I blocked the account for exactly that).
                    That "quoted" X-account is one of these "generated" pseudo-nature accounts. I can't see more of X but I'm nearly sure that the whole account works with AI.

                    @FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp

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                    #164

                    @NatureMC
                    You're probably right 😕
                    https://mastodon.ie/@BenAveling/116439065176860310
                    @FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp

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                    • stekopf@mstdn.socialS stekopf@mstdn.social

                      @NatureMC
                      You're probably right 😕
                      https://mastodon.ie/@BenAveling/116439065176860310
                      @FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp

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                      #165

                      @stekopf Look here: https://mastodon.online/@NatureMC/116454180399370710

                      BTW, fact-checking is part of my profession.

                      @FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp

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                      • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                        People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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                        #166

                        @CiaraNi My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. And yeah, I'm scared that it'll make me more skeptical of even the real things

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                        • ericjames@booping.synth.downloadE ericjames@booping.synth.download

                          @CiaraNi@mastodon.green

                          cc
                          @qualia@floofy.tech you were right

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                          #167

                          @ericjames @CiaraNi i'd figured. i find no joy in this revelation

                          i'm going to try and take one nice real photo today out of spite

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                          • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                            People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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                            #168

                            @CiaraNi thanks for the information. I am fedup with this crap. This might lead to internets decay

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                            • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                              People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.

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                              #169

                              @CiaraNi
                              The one I saw here in Fedi the other day was going on about how "i didn't think it was real, but it's from this photographer on FB's wife so it's really real!"

                              Which was not annoying to me than anything, as it seems people are inventing stories to defend it.

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                              • 955_36@sfba.social9 955_36@sfba.social

                                @NatureMC @CiaraNi @monkee I am retiring from my business as a web designer because I'm tired dealing with the fall out from AI scapers and hackers. What used to be a fun creative job has turned into being a security analyst. Not what I want to be doing.

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                                #170

                                @955_36 That's very sad. @CiaraNi @monkee

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                                • qualia@floofy.techQ qualia@floofy.tech

                                  @ericjames @CiaraNi i'd figured. i find no joy in this revelation

                                  i'm going to try and take one nice real photo today out of spite

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                                  #171

                                  @qualia @ericjames

                                  "I'm going to try and take one nice real photo today out of spite" - I really like that as a response. Whenever we see some machine-generated slop being presented as human, we put the balance of the Earth back by creating something nice and human-made.

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                                  • F frutigeraero00@mastodon.social

                                    @CiaraNi Im still suspicious of alt text as a way to train ia into reading or cataloguing images, thats why i dont use it. I think resources are the best way 🤠

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                                    #172

                                    @FrutigerAero00 It's a fair concern. I will keep writing and reading Alt Text, though, because it's human-to-human support, a human-to-human exchange, so I'm not letting the people wielding the sea-boiling language-guessing machines ruin that on us too.

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                                    • ox1de@cyberplace.socialO ox1de@cyberplace.social

                                      @CiaraNi it will only get worse, mayhem is around the corner

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                                      #173

                                      @Ox1de I wish that sounded like hyperbole, but given the way AI-use has been going, I fear it's not.

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                                      • cppguy@infosec.spaceC cppguy@infosec.space

                                        @RalphBassfeld

                                        Use two spaces after a full stop, use Briticisms (such as "full stop" rather than "period"), and perhaps inject a gratuitous swear word. GenAI never does any of these things.

                                        @CiaraNi

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                                        #174

                                        @CppGuy @RalphBassfeld Good idea, but I fear it'd be an arms race. We change our behaviour as an evasive technique, then the machines get trained to do that thing too. I would think GAI can already handle regional varieties of language - I don't use it so I don't know for certain. If not now, soon, probably.

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                                        • cppguy@infosec.spaceC cppguy@infosec.space

                                          @awws

                                          I can think of a few highly speculative motivations:

                                          • Some platforms enable users to monetise popular accounts
                                          • Some accounts gather lots of followers and then shift to posting other, more contentious material
                                          • Maybe this is a way of gathering information about large numbers of followers?
                                          • Maybe the person who prompted the AI thinks that these images are legitimate art and just wants to show them off without the stigma of slop
                                          • Maybe someone is angling for a job as a professional photographer but doesn't have a portfolio and wants to build one the easy way

                                          As I say, this is all just speculation.

                                          @CiaraNi @henryk

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                                          #175

                                          @CppGuy They are all plausible and likely scenarios.

                                          "Some accounts gather lots of followers and then shift to posting other, more contentious material" - this had never occurred to me. It sounds very possible, especially given right-wing digital strategies. Yikes.

                                          @awws @henryk

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