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  • joecardillo@federate.socialJ joecardillo@federate.social

    @david42 @djsumdog @cavallette @anneroth The team at @thenextweb has more info on how that is working in practice & how designating a group as a terrorist organization with no evidence essentially functions as a ban on free speech: https://thenextweb.com/news/autistici-inventati-shutdown-us-terrorist-designation

    The exact numbers of blogs, mailboxes, etc may vary, but if a government does it & other governments, banks, domain registrars, etc. cooperate, that incentivizes using it to go after political opponents (which is authoritarian, by definition)

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    #31
    Huh, but Rose City Antifa is a terrorist organization. They're evil spoiled children who've destroyed so much. But, so has the State of Israel. I guess it just matters how powerful your terrorist organization is.

    These people seem incompetent though, and some of the people they support do seem to have committed pretty serious crimes. PirateBay, Cock.li and Kiwifarms are groups that have had to fight tooth and nail to stay alive and have learned how to route around censorship.

    It seems like the leaders of this group might have just been tired of dealing with what they knew had gotten out of hand, and just pulled the plug seeing this as a 'get out of jail free' card.

    HN comments at the bottom are interesting:
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    • djsumdog@djsumdog.comD djsumdog@djsumdog.com
      Huh, but Rose City Antifa is a terrorist organization. They're evil spoiled children who've destroyed so much. But, so has the State of Israel. I guess it just matters how powerful your terrorist organization is.

      These people seem incompetent though, and some of the people they support do seem to have committed pretty serious crimes. PirateBay, Cock.li and Kiwifarms are groups that have had to fight tooth and nail to stay alive and have learned how to route around censorship.

      It seems like the leaders of this group might have just been tired of dealing with what they knew had gotten out of hand, and just pulled the plug seeing this as a 'get out of jail free' card.

      HN comments at the bottom are interesting:
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      #32

      @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @joecardillo@federate.social @cavallette@mastodon.bida.im @david42@mastodon.online @anneroth@systemli.social it is in fact VERY easy to not appeal to domestic terrorists regardless of political affiliation and I am not entirely sure why it is so hard to disown these people. they dug their grave really deep.

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      • fenixmaster@mastodon.socialF fenixmaster@mastodon.social

        @anneroth @cavallette Europe should put "The Heritage Foundation" on the European terrorlist.

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        #33

        @fenixmaster
        Spacex

        @anneroth @cavallette

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        • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

          20,000 mail accounts.
          20,000 blogs.
          5,000 mailing lists.
          1,500 websites.

          In Europe.

          Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.

          Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.

          It is astonishingly quiet.

          ⁨#Autistici⁩

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          #34

          @anneroth @cavallette From afar, we're wondering if Riseup will be next...

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          • fenixmaster@mastodon.socialF fenixmaster@mastodon.social

            @anneroth @cavallette Europe should put "The Heritage Foundation" on the European terrorlist.

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            #35

            @fenixmaster @anneroth @cavallette Ja, aber die meisten Regierungen in der EU sind bestenfalls "nicht links" von der Heritage Foundation.

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            • B barbra@social.vivaldi.net

              @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

              Sure there's a problem with uptake.

              But it's the only way to get out from under the US boot on our collective necks.

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              #36

              @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette Or get your money out of American banks, stop doing business with American companies, elect governments that refuse to take orders from American autocrats. The US is losing to a penny ante dictatorship in Iran,they can’t begin to cope with the rest of the world saying no.

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              • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

                @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette Or get your money out of American banks, stop doing business with American companies, elect governments that refuse to take orders from American autocrats. The US is losing to a penny ante dictatorship in Iran,they can’t begin to cope with the rest of the world saying no.

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                #37

                @su_liam @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                Well, I'm Canadian, and I don't know anyone who supports the Orange Shitgibbon.

                They don't like that we removed their booze from sale, but even if we put it back on shelves it wouldn't sell any more. MAGA farmers in the US are big Trump supporters - so not buying any food from the USA works for me. I will never set foot in the US again. ever.

                It's going to take my generation dying off to even start to undo the distrust they engendered. The US will probably dissolve into civil war before that happens.

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                • eclinton@mas.toE eclinton@mas.to

                  @anneroth @cavallette you need a source for a bold claim of this nature. This is likely false.

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                  #38

                  @eclinton

                  You're a shit-eating, boot-licking, fascist toady, as clearly evidenced by your post.

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                  • ahltorp@mastodon.nuA ahltorp@mastodon.nu

                    @eclinton @anneroth @cavallette The post you’re replying to has many ”claims”, and you’re just making a sweeping statement about the post. Your post is just spreading disinformation.

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                    #39

                    @ahltorp @eclinton @anneroth @cavallette Two posts. A handful of replies. Created over a year ago and largely idle until there was a chance to goose a conversation.

                    I smell bullshit.

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                    • B barbra@social.vivaldi.net

                      @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                      Sure there's a problem with uptake.

                      But it's the only way to get out from under the US boot on our collective necks.

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                      #40

                      @barbra @anneroth @cavallette Okay yes, if say the EU added an Alt DNS root that coordinated with ICANN to not overlap on top level domain names, and much of Europe if not the world started using it, then yes, that would work. But A/I couldn't've introduced their own alt DNS root after Aug 26 and had that gotten enough uptake to save them.

                      But the precedent here is that once A/I had names on this hypothetical alt root, the US could've declared the org running the alt root terrorists. & Repeat.

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                      • D david42@mastodon.online

                        @barbra @anneroth @cavallette Okay yes, if say the EU added an Alt DNS root that coordinated with ICANN to not overlap on top level domain names, and much of Europe if not the world started using it, then yes, that would work. But A/I couldn't've introduced their own alt DNS root after Aug 26 and had that gotten enough uptake to save them.

                        But the precedent here is that once A/I had names on this hypothetical alt root, the US could've declared the org running the alt root terrorists. & Repeat.

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                        #41

                        @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                        Who cares if domain names overlap?

                        A/I could have just asked people to enter their server's ipv6 address into their hosts file. And if you're going to do that, they could have self-hosted their own servers. It's not that expensive. Or that hard.

                        As word got out, more people could do it. Then people could have posted clickable links to the ipv6 address all over the place - no need for everyone to edit their own hosts file.

                        I was doing this 30 years ago so I could stream my music collection at the office over a crappy 1 mbps cable modem link - multiple connections worked fine.

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                        • tkissing@mastodon.socialT tkissing@mastodon.social

                          @fenixmaster @anneroth @cavallette Ja, aber die meisten Regierungen in der EU sind bestenfalls "nicht links" von der Heritage Foundation.

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                          #42

                          @tkissing @anneroth @cavallette Daar heb je een punt.

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                          • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

                            @anneroth @cavallette Not a judge, a court, or jury had anything to say about it.

                            Europe is not sovereign, we are a client state of the USA.

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                            #43

                            @gimulnautti @anneroth @cavallette täsmälleen. Ja Alexander Stubbit heidän palvelija...

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                            • offbeatmammal@mastodon.socialO offbeatmammal@mastodon.social

                              @eclinton @anneroth @cavallette what "bold claim". Trump decided a non existent label is a terrorist organization, and by definition anyone who dislikes his policies is Antifa and then proceeded to make it impossible for a non-US entity to operate. I guess we are lucky he didn't follow it up with an illegal airstrike or kidnap the president of another sovereign nation.

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                              #44

                              @Offbeatmammal @anneroth @cavallette Ok, i understand your point. No government should be infringing speech.

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                              • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

                                20,000 mail accounts.
                                20,000 blogs.
                                5,000 mailing lists.
                                1,500 websites.

                                In Europe.

                                Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.

                                Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.

                                It is astonishingly quiet.

                                ⁨#Autistici⁩

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                                #45

                                @anneroth @cavallette

                                womp womp, USAID money dried up

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                                • B barbra@social.vivaldi.net

                                  @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                                  Who cares if domain names overlap?

                                  A/I could have just asked people to enter their server's ipv6 address into their hosts file. And if you're going to do that, they could have self-hosted their own servers. It's not that expensive. Or that hard.

                                  As word got out, more people could do it. Then people could have posted clickable links to the ipv6 address all over the place - no need for everyone to edit their own hosts file.

                                  I was doing this 30 years ago so I could stream my music collection at the office over a crappy 1 mbps cable modem link - multiple connections worked fine.

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                                  #46

                                  @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                                  you've moved the problem to IANA instead of ICANN

                                  how to get so many ipv6 addresses? who controls that, its still a bullshit central authority.

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                                  • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

                                    @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                                    you've moved the problem to IANA instead of ICANN

                                    how to get so many ipv6 addresses? who controls that, its still a bullshit central authority.

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                                    #47

                                    @Li @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                                    Every time your modem connects to an isp, your isp assigns your modem an ipv6 address from its allottment. The modem will reconnect after a power failure or reboot, so you might not get the same address again.

                                    Not really a problem if you also have a server at a hosting facility, since you can host a link there, and update it when your local ip changes, same as a dynamic dns service.

                                    These are solved problems, have been for decades.

                                    No need to involve either IANA or ICANN. You're operating independent of both of them.

                                    I'm really surprised that nobody connected with the affected organisation didn't try this. They had a whole month.

                                    My guess is they don't have any old farts who were doing these things to host web servers from home way back when.

                                    It solves some other problems too - like space for videos. I could host 10s of terabytes of video at home, and there's no monthly storage fee. On a hosting account that gets crazy expensive.

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                                    • spirit@cybernetic.monsterS spirit@cybernetic.monster

                                      @eclinton @anneroth @cavallette There is a U.S. Department of the Treasury press release. Are you always this confidently wrong?

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                                      #48

                                      @Spirit @eclinton @anneroth @cavallette@mastodon.bida.sidenote; whys it always legal system bozos who say shit like this??

                                      .. i look at their page and its just "legal ethics" wow what a self-contradictory statement!

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                                      • B barbra@social.vivaldi.net

                                        @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                                        Who cares if domain names overlap?

                                        A/I could have just asked people to enter their server's ipv6 address into their hosts file. And if you're going to do that, they could have self-hosted their own servers. It's not that expensive. Or that hard.

                                        As word got out, more people could do it. Then people could have posted clickable links to the ipv6 address all over the place - no need for everyone to edit their own hosts file.

                                        I was doing this 30 years ago so I could stream my music collection at the office over a crappy 1 mbps cable modem link - multiple connections worked fine.

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                                        #49

                                        @barbra @anneroth @cavallette I care as a user and as a server host if example.example resolves to different and uncoordinated DNS records, managed by uncoordinated people, on distinct global roots. It also complicates name certificates. You really don't want the people who own example.example on the ICAAN system and those who own it on the hypothetical EU global root to be able to impersonate each other's hosts.

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                                        • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

                                          @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette

                                          you've moved the problem to IANA instead of ICANN

                                          how to get so many ipv6 addresses? who controls that, its still a bullshit central authority.

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                                          #50

                                          @Li @barbra @anneroth @cavallette honestly people could randomly generate IPv6 addresses all day and not collide with each other. They are the same size as UUIDs. They do not need assignment for honest users to avoid collisions. They only need assignment to prevent impersonation attacks.

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