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  3. "'Left' and 'right' have had the same meaning since the French Revolution.

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    #1

    "'Left' and 'right' have had the same meaning since the French Revolution. If you want to know if someone is on the left or the right, ask them, 'What is more important: human rights or property rights?' If they say 'Property rights are a human right,' then they are on the right." -- Steven Brust, quoted by @pluralistic

    Or, as #Proudhon more succinctly put it, 'Proper tea is theft'.

    https://pluralistic.net/2026/07/08/wilhoitian/#human-rights-v-property-rights

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      "'Left' and 'right' have had the same meaning since the French Revolution. If you want to know if someone is on the left or the right, ask them, 'What is more important: human rights or property rights?' If they say 'Property rights are a human right,' then they are on the right." -- Steven Brust, quoted by @pluralistic

      Or, as #Proudhon more succinctly put it, 'Proper tea is theft'.

      https://pluralistic.net/2026/07/08/wilhoitian/#human-rights-v-property-rights

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      #2

      @simon_brooke @pluralistic I don't know if the misquote is intencional but it's hilarious

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      • peluchecero@xarxa.cloudP peluchecero@xarxa.cloud

        @simon_brooke @pluralistic I don't know if the misquote is intencional but it's hilarious

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        #3

        @peluchecero @pluralistic It's intentional.

        I thought those who knew what I meant would laugh, and those who didn't would think it was a typo and understand Proudhon's meaning.

        However, it's also true: Proper tea is grown in huge corporate estates where the labour of poor tea pickers is systematically stolen.

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        • simon_brooke@mastodon.scotS simon_brooke@mastodon.scot

          "'Left' and 'right' have had the same meaning since the French Revolution. If you want to know if someone is on the left or the right, ask them, 'What is more important: human rights or property rights?' If they say 'Property rights are a human right,' then they are on the right." -- Steven Brust, quoted by @pluralistic

          Or, as #Proudhon more succinctly put it, 'Proper tea is theft'.

          https://pluralistic.net/2026/07/08/wilhoitian/#human-rights-v-property-rights

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          #4

          @simon_brooke @pluralistic shit like this is the reason we live in the neoliberal wasteland that is late stage capitalism.
          It keeps people afraid of anything remotely leaning left. Good work perpetuating peoples fear and keeping them on the right.

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          • simon_brooke@mastodon.scotS simon_brooke@mastodon.scot

            "'Left' and 'right' have had the same meaning since the French Revolution. If you want to know if someone is on the left or the right, ask them, 'What is more important: human rights or property rights?' If they say 'Property rights are a human right,' then they are on the right." -- Steven Brust, quoted by @pluralistic

            Or, as #Proudhon more succinctly put it, 'Proper tea is theft'.

            https://pluralistic.net/2026/07/08/wilhoitian/#human-rights-v-property-rights

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            #5

            @simon_brooke @pluralistic the Latin word "privatus" means something like "stolen" or "taken".

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            • simon_brooke@mastodon.scotS simon_brooke@mastodon.scot

              @peluchecero @pluralistic It's intentional.

              I thought those who knew what I meant would laugh, and those who didn't would think it was a typo and understand Proudhon's meaning.

              However, it's also true: Proper tea is grown in huge corporate estates where the labour of poor tea pickers is systematically stolen.

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              #6

              @simon_brooke That's a favourite joke for me and I'd never considered the hidden truth in it so thanks for pointing it out. 👏

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              • nichol@mstdn.socialN nichol@mstdn.social

                @simon_brooke @pluralistic the Latin word "privatus" means something like "stolen" or "taken".

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                @Nichol @simon_brooke @pluralistic Roman languages still have the verb "privar (Sp.)", meaning to take something away from someone, implying it is something they should have or keep.

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                • ernestowg@mas.toE ernestowg@mas.to

                  @Nichol @simon_brooke @pluralistic Roman languages still have the verb "privar (Sp.)", meaning to take something away from someone, implying it is something they should have or keep.

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                  @ernestowg therefore deprive means give 😉

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                  • aimaz@mstdn.socialA aimaz@mstdn.social

                    @ernestowg therefore deprive means give 😉

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                    @aimaz 😆 in a perfect world

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                    • nichol@mstdn.socialN nichol@mstdn.social

                      @simon_brooke @pluralistic the Latin word "privatus" means something like "stolen" or "taken".

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                      #10

                      @Nichol @pluralistic Well, of course it does. Because that is what all private property always is.

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                      • ernestowg@mas.toE ernestowg@mas.to

                        @Nichol @simon_brooke @pluralistic Roman languages still have the verb "privar (Sp.)", meaning to take something away from someone, implying it is something they should have or keep.

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                        #11

                        @simon_brooke @ernestowg @pluralistic @Nichol
                        In French the word 'privé' means 'private' or 'prevented of having' according to the use...

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                        • nichol@mstdn.socialN nichol@mstdn.social

                          @simon_brooke @pluralistic the Latin word "privatus" means something like "stolen" or "taken".

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                          #12

                          @simon_brooke @pluralistic @Nichol
                          As in :
                          quicquid enim florui
                          felix et beatus,
                          nunc a summo corrui
                          gloria privatus.
                          #Latin #CarminaBurana

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                          • simon_brooke@mastodon.scotS simon_brooke@mastodon.scot

                            "'Left' and 'right' have had the same meaning since the French Revolution. If you want to know if someone is on the left or the right, ask them, 'What is more important: human rights or property rights?' If they say 'Property rights are a human right,' then they are on the right." -- Steven Brust, quoted by @pluralistic

                            Or, as #Proudhon more succinctly put it, 'Proper tea is theft'.

                            https://pluralistic.net/2026/07/08/wilhoitian/#human-rights-v-property-rights

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                            @simon_brooke I feel tempted to argue that proper tea is a human right, hahaha. It certainly is something that is no longer available. My normal brand got bought up by equity types and ruined and I've tried about eleventy other brands and they all taste like grass cuttings. 😢 😩

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                              @simon_brooke I feel tempted to argue that proper tea is a human right, hahaha. It certainly is something that is no longer available. My normal brand got bought up by equity types and ruined and I've tried about eleventy other brands and they all taste like grass cuttings. 😢 😩

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                              @LaChasseuse @simon_brooke We buy our tea now for the compostable bags. Got tired of finding webs of soon-to-be microplastic in the raised bed. So we drink Clipper and have got used to it by now. My OH is a Lancastrian and they all seem to have their tea like gravy, whereas I was raised on PG Tips so it's amazing that it has worked out really. 🤣☕

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                              • kbm0@mastodon.socialK kbm0@mastodon.social

                                @LaChasseuse @simon_brooke We buy our tea now for the compostable bags. Got tired of finding webs of soon-to-be microplastic in the raised bed. So we drink Clipper and have got used to it by now. My OH is a Lancastrian and they all seem to have their tea like gravy, whereas I was raised on PG Tips so it's amazing that it has worked out really. 🤣☕

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                                @kbm0 I have just 3 pyramid bags of original PG Tips left. I have been rationing the final box out for use only on Really Bad Days and Special Occasions.

                                @simon_brooke

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