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  • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

    Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

    https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

    #LibreOffice #Technology

    mini24@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #54

    商业模型对训练数据的态度最能暴露它:开源项目把 no AI 当卖点(LibreOffice 这周刚做了),闭源平台把用户生成内容直接当自助餐(这条 Amazon/Twitch)。一条线划在「我不放 AI 进去」,另一条划在「用户产了什么我就拿什么」。这两件事在同一周发生,挺说明问题。

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    • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

      @Jeff None of the core developers use them. We rely on contributions from the wider community and don't explicitly list tools people can and can't use – but we do require people disclose when they use LLMs and generally discourage the practice. We carefully review submissions by contributors to make sure the code quality is good and that the patch author understands their own code. LLMs are prohibited for students and other mentored work.

      tjk@oldbytes.spaceT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #55

      @libreoffice Please just ban its use.

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      • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

        @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig That is what generative AI is useful for.

        It is very good at generating computer code and will vastly increase the quality of what professional programmers can produce.

        That is my experience

        garonenur@rollenspiel.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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        #56

        @worik @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig 🤣🤣🤣

        How can the: "here is the stochastic average of the training data" be of better quality?
        That is not how LLMs work.

        The code quality is shit, especially without rigorous human supervision.

        worik@mastodon.socialW argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA 3 Replies Last reply
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        • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

          Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

          https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

          #LibreOffice #Technology

          jabiczf@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote on sidst redigeret af
          #57

          @libreoffice

          AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THE GOATS

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          • garonenur@rollenspiel.socialG garonenur@rollenspiel.social

            @worik @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig 🤣🤣🤣

            How can the: "here is the stochastic average of the training data" be of better quality?
            That is not how LLMs work.

            The code quality is shit, especially without rigorous human supervision.

            worik@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote on sidst redigeret af
            #58

            @Garonenur @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

            I am speaking from experience, not theory

            It is not as simple as "LLMs write better code". But from now on the best code will be aided by LLMs in its construction. That is true now

            garonenur@rollenspiel.socialG argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA grvsmth@lingo.lolG 3 Replies Last reply
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            • argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org

              @worik

              If AI is producing code of higher quality than what you can write, then that doesn't speak highly of AI; it speaks poorly of you.

              As a professional programmer with 30+ years experience, I need tools that work correctly every time. AI only sometimes works correctly, and that's not good enough. I have left many tools behind because they proved unreliable, and this is one of them.

              @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

              worik@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote on sidst redigeret af
              #59

              @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

              Have you tried using a coding agent in a suitable domain? (They are not original, they are thorough)

              argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA kekunplazas@mamot.frK 2 Replies Last reply
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              • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

                @Garonenur @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

                I am speaking from experience, not theory

                It is not as simple as "LLMs write better code". But from now on the best code will be aided by LLMs in its construction. That is true now

                garonenur@rollenspiel.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                #60

                @worik @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig not if we burn down every fucking fascist data center.
                And no, people using LLMs are deteriorating in their skills so fast, overall code quality (which was shit anyway to begin with) will only go down.

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                • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                  Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                  https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                  #LibreOffice #Technology

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                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                  #61

                  @libreoffice

                  Thank you so much for not succumbing to the brainless "AI" cult! It means a lot to me to read principled and sensible statements like this 🙏

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                  • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

                    @Garonenur @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

                    I am speaking from experience, not theory

                    It is not as simple as "LLMs write better code". But from now on the best code will be aided by LLMs in its construction. That is true now

                    argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                    #62

                    @worik

                    I am also speaking from experience, and my experience makes me glad that you and I haven't crossed paths professionally.

                    @Garonenur @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

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                    • garonenur@rollenspiel.socialG garonenur@rollenspiel.social

                      @worik @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig 🤣🤣🤣

                      How can the: "here is the stochastic average of the training data" be of better quality?
                      That is not how LLMs work.

                      The code quality is shit, especially without rigorous human supervision.

                      argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wrote on sidst redigeret af
                      #63

                      @Garonenur

                      Indeed. LLMs are trained on 100% of everything, and as Theodore Sturgeon once famously pointed out, 90% of everything is crap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

                      It's a recipe for failure, and sure enough… https://www.pcmag.com/news/vibe-coding-fiasco-replite-ai-agent-goes-rogue-deletes-company-database

                      @worik @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

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                      • worik@mastodon.socialW worik@mastodon.social

                        @argv_minus_one @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

                        Have you tried using a coding agent in a suitable domain? (They are not original, they are thorough)

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                        #64

                        @worik

                        Of course not. Under no circumstances will I allow one of those things to execute arbitrary commands on my machine without review. I'm not completely insane.

                        @wobweger @libreoffice @grvsmth @moskitokoenig

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                        • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                          Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                          https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                          #LibreOffice #Technology

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                          #65

                          @libreoffice Have you ever done a study on the readability of your website? I think you have obvious contrast issues because of that bright green. 😅

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                          • simontol@mastodon.socialS simontol@mastodon.social

                            @libreoffice Have you ever done a study on the readability of your website? I think you have obvious contrast issues because of that bright green. 😅

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                            #66

                            @libreoffice

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                            • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                              Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                              https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                              #LibreOffice #Technology

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                              wrote on sidst redigeret af
                              #67

                              @libreoffice Could I provide a translation into norwegian for this image?

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                                #68

                                @chaekyung@mastodon.cloud @libreoffice If its a LLM I do not want it. Ever. For whatever reason. And if it downloads 200MB of stuff I do not want to use automatically, I do not want it either.

                                I'd be ok if a optional extension provides TTS-Services, but it should not enable itself on its own. And it should not be part of the LibreOffice Core.

                                This is LibreOffice, not a Microsoft Product, it should not install things on its own. It should not decide on itself to burn CPU-Time to do things the user did not ask for (looking at you, Firefox „Tab group suggestions“)

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                                • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                  Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                                  https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                                  #LibreOffice #Technology

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                                  #69

                                  @libreoffice

                                  ...yes! 👍

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                                  • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                    Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                                    https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                                    #LibreOffice #Technology

                                    michal@spondr.czM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #70

                                    @libreoffice I wonder how long this policy will last. If LibreOffice is to be a professionally used office suite, some AI features will eventually be necessary. If they aren't added, LibreOffice will become a suite for a small group of old-fashioned nerds.

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                                    • michal@spondr.czM michal@spondr.cz

                                      @libreoffice I wonder how long this policy will last. If LibreOffice is to be a professionally used office suite, some AI features will eventually be necessary. If they aren't added, LibreOffice will become a suite for a small group of old-fashioned nerds.

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                                      #71

                                      @michal @libreoffice Which "AI" (quatation marks very much intended) features do you deem so necessary that an extension is not sufficient?

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                                      • razemix@mamutovo.czR razemix@mamutovo.cz

                                        @michal @libreoffice Which "AI" (quatation marks very much intended) features do you deem so necessary that an extension is not sufficient?

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                                        #72

                                        @Razemix @libreoffice I have no idea; I don't use office suites. However, various tools such as email summarization, checking of facts in documents (not typos), recommended next steps for documents within a company's workflow etc. it will become a standard part of office workflows, because they can make work more efficient.

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                                        • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                          Yes, no (built-in) AI is now a feature

                                          https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/09/03/yes-no-ai-is-now-a-feature/

                                          #LibreOffice #Technology

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                                          #73

                                          @libreoffice Nice. Here in Norway, we've been doing the no (built in) AI features too: https://vivaldi.com/blog/keep-exploring/

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