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"One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

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  • rdfhrn@hessen.socialR rdfhrn@hessen.social

    @schmidt_fu not in this case https://mastodon.social/@marginalia/117179319967931654 @Devonkiwi @eliasulrich

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    schmidt_fu@mstdn.social
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #70

    @rdfhrn
    I see.
    @Devonkiwi @eliasulrich

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    • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

      "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

      It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

      It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

      What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

      The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

      There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

      It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

      https://marginalia-search.com/

      harish@hachyderm.ioH This user is from outside of this forum
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      harish@hachyderm.io
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #71

      @eliasulrich I love this so, so much. I searched for my own name and found writing of mine from 20 years ago and going down memory lane.

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      • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

        "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

        It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

        It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

        What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

        The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

        There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

        It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

        https://marginalia-search.com/

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        ve2uwy@mastodon.radio
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #72

        @eliasulrich

        And it runs on an old UltraSPARC 2 in his hall closet and it runs Solaris 8.

        Please make this last bit be true.

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        • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

          "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

          It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

          It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

          What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

          The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

          There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

          It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

          https://marginalia-search.com/

          csgraves@turtleisland.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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          csgraves@turtleisland.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #73

          @eliasulrich this is really kind of interesting. Who knew, there was an actual internet out there, if only we cared to look. This makes it much easier.

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          • tanyakaroli@expressional.socialT tanyakaroli@expressional.social shared this topic
          • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

            "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

            It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

            It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

            What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

            The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

            There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

            It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

            https://marginalia-search.com/

            ezrine@piaille.frE This user is from outside of this forum
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            ezrine@piaille.fr
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #74

            @eliasulrich i swear i cried.

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            • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

              "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

              It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

              It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

              What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

              The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

              There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

              It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

              https://marginalia-search.com/

              tiggy@mastodonapp.ukT This user is from outside of this forum
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              tiggy@mastodonapp.uk
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #75

              @eliasulrich

              With just my name, that is fairly common, I was the third entry, about a music award.
              Adding my profession didn't lead me to my research and publications but to a snarky piece that references one of my MTIC papers and misrepresents part of our analysis.

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              • rhube@wandering.shopR rhube@wandering.shop

                @64bithero @eliasulrich If it uses Google and an LLM it's part of the problem and not solving anything.

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                64bithero@mstdn.games
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                #76

                @Rhube @eliasulrich Developing your own crawler can be time consuming and expensive. Bing which (ddg and many others use) is far worse.

                Using Google to pull data and then using logic to sort through it isn’t in itself a problem. Heck most SearXng instances I run into still use a Google crawler.

                Using an LLM to parse through tons of data can be effective. It’s all about how it’s trained. Websites can be all over the place. Trying to manually code to account for it all will leave huge gaps imo

                Overall I’ve been impressed with much of its search results. Plus the code is open source.

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                • 64bithero@mstdn.games6 64bithero@mstdn.games

                  @Rhube @eliasulrich Developing your own crawler can be time consuming and expensive. Bing which (ddg and many others use) is far worse.

                  Using Google to pull data and then using logic to sort through it isn’t in itself a problem. Heck most SearXng instances I run into still use a Google crawler.

                  Using an LLM to parse through tons of data can be effective. It’s all about how it’s trained. Websites can be all over the place. Trying to manually code to account for it all will leave huge gaps imo

                  Overall I’ve been impressed with much of its search results. Plus the code is open source.

                  rhube@wandering.shopR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  rhube@wandering.shop
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #77

                  @64bithero @eliasulrich Yes it really fucking is a problem. It uses planet-destroying theft machines. It is the precise problem this thread is trying to address. You have completely misunderstood the aim due to your own apparent lack of ethics. Please go talk to some other hacks who are happy destroying the world.

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                  • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                    "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                    It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                    It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                    What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                    The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                    There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                    It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                    https://marginalia-search.com/

                    lunacolon3@blahaj.zoneL This user is from outside of this forum
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                    lunacolon3@blahaj.zone
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #78

                    @eliasulrich@hachyderm.io oh wow, this is actually really really good. i was expecting shitty results but the results are mostly great. the only thing about it i think is weird is that prioritizing text heavy pages means looking up the name of a website will often show a text heavy page from the website before the home page.

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                    • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                      "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                      It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                      It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                      What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                      The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                      There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                      It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                      https://marginalia-search.com/

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                      joetinymind@mastodon.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #79

                      @eliasulrich Ran my own Marginalia-style search once — the honest truth is it's not a Google alternative, it's a bookmark. Good for the 40 pages you love, useless for anything new. What I actually missed wasn't another engine, it was the discoverability Marginalia gives a page that would otherwise be unread by anyone. That's the real ask: make small sites findable, don't try to beat Google.

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                      • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                        "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                        It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                        It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                        What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                        The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                        There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                        It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                        https://marginalia-search.com/

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                        workshopshed@mastodon.scot
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                        #80

                        @eliasulrich Nice, works for Workshopshed 😉

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                        • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                          "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                          It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                          It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                          What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                          The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                          There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                          It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                          https://marginalia-search.com/

                          stepheneb@ruby.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          stepheneb@ruby.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #81

                          @eliasulrich

                          Cool! Searching for my name was fun: “Stephen Bannasch”. It helps that my name is unusual.

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                          • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                            "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                            It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                            It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                            What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                            The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                            There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                            It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                            https://marginalia-search.com/

                            mbirth@social.mbirth.ukM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            mbirth@social.mbirth.uk
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                            #82

                            @eliasulrich Also works great with #SearXNG.

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                            • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                              "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                              It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                              It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                              What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                              The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                              There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                              It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                              https://marginalia-search.com/

                              davebauerart@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              davebauerart@mastodon.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #83

                              @eliasulrich Looking good but. I searched for my name and I found some obscure forums I was on but not my web site (yet..) Still this is exactly what we need.

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                              • devonkiwi@mastodonapp.ukD devonkiwi@mastodonapp.uk

                                @eliasulrich Why won't they let us have nice things?
                                "The search engine is currently under being hit so aggressively by bots it's interfering with the ability to serve regular search traffic. Emergency anti-scraping measures are enabled. Sorry about the inconvenience."

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                                dheadshot@mastodon.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #84

                                @Devonkiwi
                                To be fair, some of those bots could be the fedi hug of death as every mastodon (and forks) instance loads a preview of the page to accompany this now-viral toot?
                                @eliasulrich

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                                • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                                  "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                                  It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                                  It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                                  What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                                  The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                                  There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                                  It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                                  https://marginalia-search.com/

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                                  plzupgrademe@fedi.txw.ca
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #85
                                  @eliasulrich beautiful name for it
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                                  • marginalia@mastodon.socialM marginalia@mastodon.social

                                    @joepie91 @Kyebr @miramarmike @eliasulrich

                                    EU funding is kinda all over the map, but I've gotten some of it at least. There's generally a problem with a lot of big talkers and not a lot of actual doers in this space. Actually having something to show has made finding funding surprisingly easy.

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                                    falcennial@mastodon.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #86

                                    @marginalia words to pay the bills by 🤌💪

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                                    • miramarmike@cloudisland.nzM miramarmike@cloudisland.nz

                                      @eliasulrich not very good though, hopefully it gets better.

                                      I did a search for my name as I have had a blog for over 20 years, didn't come up.

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                                      ericmacknight@mstdn.ca
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #87

                                      @miramarmike @eliasulrich

                                      Mine came up right away; just searched for my name.

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                                      • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                                        "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                                        It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                                        It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                                        What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                                        The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                                        There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                                        It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                                        https://marginalia-search.com/

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                                        energisch_@troet.cafe
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #88

                                        @eliasulrich Thanks for this link, already tried out - wonderful, you really get text heavy stuff 😉

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                                        • eliasulrich@hachyderm.ioE eliasulrich@hachyderm.io

                                          "One guy in #Sweden built a #searchengine to fight Google, and it works.

                                          It's called #MarginaliaSearch.

                                          It runs its own #crawler and builds its own #index instead of borrowing Bing's. It has no ads, no investors, and no loans.

                                          What it does differently: it ranks for text-heavy, non-commercial pages. Personal blogs. Old university pages.

                                          The weird corners SEO strangled. Every result tells you whether the page uses affiliate links and JavaScript, and you can filter them out.

                                          There's an "explore" mode that just shows you random sites from the index. It's open source under AGPL, so you can host your own copy.

                                          It's keyword-based, so don't type a full question at it. Type two nouns and see where you land. Every #searchengine now shows you the same twelve #monetizedpages."

                                          https://marginalia-search.com/

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                                          undead@masto.hackers.town
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #89

                                          @eliasulrich

                                          I used Marginalia Search to look up big butts, and I cannot lie, I like that the first result is a Wikipedia entry on Big Butt Mountain, and the second entry was a blog page about Sir-Mix-Alot's history with the song and the IRS.

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