The German fascist party AfD has filed a criminal defamation complaint against Chancellor Friedrich Merz, for saying that "the word 'remigration' is nothing other than a synonym for ethnic cleansing based on origin and skin color" before the Bundestag.
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@budududuroiu @slimhazard that elites view us as cattle is not a surprise for anyone at this point. but i would still disagree with you. i agree there are a few countries in the world where you can argue people are 'forced' to leave. but for the vast majority, no - it's a choice. and Romania is one of the worst examples you could have picked honestly, considering the standard of living and security there.
@pizzadoesntexist that's fair, you're entitled to your opinion, I'd just encourage you to read this article to understand that even in a secure country, pressure to emigrate exists and is pro-cyclical
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/29/romanian-families-torn-apart-by-migration-children
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@pizzadoesntexist that's fair, you're entitled to your opinion, I'd just encourage you to read this article to understand that even in a secure country, pressure to emigrate exists and is pro-cyclical
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/29/romanian-families-torn-apart-by-migration-children
@budududuroiu @slimhazard those are people who choose to leave the country to make a better life, not to survive. that's a choice. romanians are not starving, nor being bombed, nor sleeping on the streets. furthermore - coming back to your original comment, your example also contradicts your claim that immigrants cost the host country nothing. these romanians do cost the host country because they send a large part of their money back to Romania. (edit: the ones from the article i mean, not all)
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@budududuroiu @slimhazard those are people who choose to leave the country to make a better life, not to survive. that's a choice. romanians are not starving, nor being bombed, nor sleeping on the streets. furthermore - coming back to your original comment, your example also contradicts your claim that immigrants cost the host country nothing. these romanians do cost the host country because they send a large part of their money back to Romania. (edit: the ones from the article i mean, not all)
@pizzadoesntexist everyone wants a better life.
1) show me one country in the world that reliably replaced taxing waged labour with remittances and managed to run a national budget. We can argue semantics about €0, but that's not a genuine conversation, remittances are basically negligible to a national budget.
2) you mention bombs, in the 2010s only one country in the world had a higher rate of emigration than Romania, which is Syria, due to civil war.
3) we live in the EU, and because of the EDP, and loss of tax base, the RO govt is forced to do austerity after austerity, which means that he's, people are put in the position of stay and endure austerity and the breakdown of the state, or leave so they can provide their kids better. Its their decision, but thats like saying it's your decision to hand over your wallet when being robbed at knifepointI'm trying to explain to you the inner workings of Romania, charitably, please dont "teach" me about my country, tyvm
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@pizzadoesntexist everyone wants a better life.
1) show me one country in the world that reliably replaced taxing waged labour with remittances and managed to run a national budget. We can argue semantics about €0, but that's not a genuine conversation, remittances are basically negligible to a national budget.
2) you mention bombs, in the 2010s only one country in the world had a higher rate of emigration than Romania, which is Syria, due to civil war.
3) we live in the EU, and because of the EDP, and loss of tax base, the RO govt is forced to do austerity after austerity, which means that he's, people are put in the position of stay and endure austerity and the breakdown of the state, or leave so they can provide their kids better. Its their decision, but thats like saying it's your decision to hand over your wallet when being robbed at knifepointI'm trying to explain to you the inner workings of Romania, charitably, please dont "teach" me about my country, tyvm
@budududuroiu @slimhazard none of what you say has anything to do with being 'forced' to leave, which is what we are talking about - or maybe we just have a different understanding of what the word means. and neither of us can prove that immigrants are all net positive, or all net negative. the reality is that it's a mixed bag, depending on circumstances. which is why i can't make a claim opposite to yours, but i can tell you that your absolute is not accurate either.
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@budududuroiu @slimhazard none of what you say has anything to do with being 'forced' to leave, which is what we are talking about - or maybe we just have a different understanding of what the word means. and neither of us can prove that immigrants are all net positive, or all net negative. the reality is that it's a mixed bag, depending on circumstances. which is why i can't make a claim opposite to yours, but i can tell you that your absolute is not accurate either.
@pizzadoesntexist the brain drain in the Balkans after joining the EU is a pretty well documented phenomenon, you CAN make a point about net emigration being an economic, cultural and political negative
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@pizzadoesntexist the brain drain in the Balkans after joining the EU is a pretty well documented phenomenon, you CAN make a point about net emigration being an economic, cultural and political negative
@budududuroiu @slimhazard the conversation was about immigrants, not emigrants. and the only way you can make a case for immigration being a net positive (as your claim of 'costs $0' implied) is by ignoring a large part of the image and focusing only on certain aspects.
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@budududuroiu @slimhazard the conversation was about immigrants, not emigrants. and the only way you can make a case for immigration being a net positive (as your claim of 'costs $0' implied) is by ignoring a large part of the image and focusing only on certain aspects.
@pizzadoesntexist my point, from the beginning of the thread, was about emigration. Why would I argue about immigration, it's clear that immigration is great for the country that receives immigrants, at the expense of the country of origin. Germany's whole strategy was "cheap Russian gas, cheap immigrants".
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@pizzadoesntexist my point, from the beginning of the thread, was about emigration. Why would I argue about immigration, it's clear that immigration is great for the country that receives immigrants, at the expense of the country of origin. Germany's whole strategy was "cheap Russian gas, cheap immigrants".
@budududuroiu @slimhazard you claimed it costs the host country nothing. which simply isn't true as a blanket statement. and you now claimed that immigration is great for the host country. it's absolutely great in the immediate term - agreed. but long term - there are hints we're seeing now of hidden costs. i'm sorry but you're making these absolute statements, and honestly none of them are true - because things are more nuanced than black or white.
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@budududuroiu @slimhazard you claimed it costs the host country nothing. which simply isn't true as a blanket statement. and you now claimed that immigration is great for the host country. it's absolutely great in the immediate term - agreed. but long term - there are hints we're seeing now of hidden costs. i'm sorry but you're making these absolute statements, and honestly none of them are true - because things are more nuanced than black or white.
@pizzadoesntexist it's a maximalist statement made to deliver a point. The Romanian government pays to raise a kid from diapers to university (healthcare, schooling, school meals), then funds state university for 6 years so that student becomes a doctor. After graduating, the doctor leaves to be a doctor in Germany.
All the effort, money and investment made in the next generation of medics for Romania, squandered, Germany receives a doctor virtually free.
Are you trolling? It's pretty obvious the point I'm making
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@pizzadoesntexist it's a maximalist statement made to deliver a point. The Romanian government pays to raise a kid from diapers to university (healthcare, schooling, school meals), then funds state university for 6 years so that student becomes a doctor. After graduating, the doctor leaves to be a doctor in Germany.
All the effort, money and investment made in the next generation of medics for Romania, squandered, Germany receives a doctor virtually free.
Are you trolling? It's pretty obvious the point I'm making
@budududuroiu @slimhazard let's not sit here and pretend that poor countries send only their best and brightest to richer countries. that couldn't be further from the truth. it's quite the opposite statistically. take Romania where only 1 in 4 that emigrate are college graduates.
talking in maximalist statements means we're not actually talking, just trying to shout louder.
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@budududuroiu @slimhazard let's not sit here and pretend that poor countries send only their best and brightest to richer countries. that couldn't be further from the truth. it's quite the opposite statistically. take Romania where only 1 in 4 that emigrate are college graduates.
talking in maximalist statements means we're not actually talking, just trying to shout louder.
@pizzadoesntexist healthcare, education, school meals are universal, not means tested or grade based, so your argument doesn't make sense as a rebuttal.
Secondly, you don't need to send your brightest in order to create a massive loss of a tax base.
Again, Romania has been doing some form of austerity since 2008 because of how the EDP dynamics work with a dwindling tax base
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@pizzadoesntexist healthcare, education, school meals are universal, not means tested or grade based, so your argument doesn't make sense as a rebuttal.
Secondly, you don't need to send your brightest in order to create a massive loss of a tax base.
Again, Romania has been doing some form of austerity since 2008 because of how the EDP dynamics work with a dwindling tax base
@budududuroiu @slimhazard that's the first thing you've said that's actually true and accurate. i'm glad we got somewhere.
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also, if he says remigration means ethnic cleansing, and he tries to tell us this is not ok - where are the consequences for the CDU politicians who participated in the remigration conference a while ago?
there are none.
@lazyb0y I miss that too. Currently it is just rhetoric. And that is not enough. @slimhazard @renewedresistance
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@hiphopheaven @slimhazard @renewedresistance
How many generations? Most countries are populated with people who have migrated from somewhere else over history.
@AnnieBuddy
Let's start with the people who migrated from Europe to the Americas from roughly 500 years ago up to now. It will go back several generations and determining to what degree people qualify might get a little messy.
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The German fascist party AfD has filed a criminal defamation complaint against Chancellor Friedrich Merz, for saying that "the word 'remigration' is nothing other than a synonym for ethnic cleansing based on origin and skin color" before the Bundestag.
Dear Fediverse, I've never asked for boosts, but it's time to flood the zone. Put it in your own words if you prefer. Spread it everywhere.
#remigration #ethnicCleansing #Afd #fascism #streisandeffect
@renewedresistance
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/afd-files-complaint-against-merz-130350147.html@slimhazard
There is a French shot film depicting what could happen to society when people would actually return.https://chaos.social/@Emathion/117256422458747006
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@keydelk @slimhazard With these dipshits you'll be moved to a third place you have no connection to.
@nini
It seems more like the move the a third Reich.
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@AnnieBuddy
Let's start with the people who migrated from Europe to the Americas from roughly 500 years ago up to now. It will go back several generations and determining to what degree people qualify might get a little messy.
@hiphopheaven @slimhazard @renewedresistance@alterelefant @AnnieBuddy @hiphopheaven @slimhazard @renewedresistance And let's never forget that it was the biggest genocide in history we know of
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