The critical thing to understand about this air conditioning debate is that fossil fuel companies should be held accountable for destroying the planet.
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The critical thing to understand about this air conditioning debate is that fossil fuel companies should be held accountable for destroying the planet.
@luckytran I wonder all many AC units is equivalent to a single billionaire’s yacht or jet.
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@luckytran So I take you don't drive a car or use any fossil fuels in your daily existence, right? What is "destroying" the planet is people that make blanket statements they are #conditioned to except as fact while they ignore real dangerous issues like #DigitalID and the legal entanglements that come with that in my opinion. How do you say that the #coal burning electric companies have done any wrong? when most of us use #fossilfuels on a daily bases?
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The critical thing to understand about this air conditioning debate is that fossil fuel companies should be held accountable for destroying the planet.
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The critical thing to understand about this air conditioning debate is that fossil fuel companies should be held accountable for destroying the planet.
@luckytran no one remembers that episode of captain planet where a/c heads just kept stubbornly turning their a/C's up higher and the whole planet was cooking?
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@luckytran I wonder all many AC units is equivalent to a single billionaire’s yacht or jet.
I wonder how the emissions for the power that go into an AC unit compare to the emissions of the rocket that sent Katy Perry into space, or Elon's floating garbage - starlink.
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@splitradix @luckytran
Exactly.. going by your list, the only people not "destroying" the world is North Korea.. But also.. everytime I turn on a light, fly somewhere, even living creatures breathing fresh air and exhaling #Co2 are blamed and that diverts attention away from the real issue.. #PollutionIn everything, we have to work together and focus on real solutions.
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@luckytran And america's low-income housing with little protection from the heat outside (mine specifically has a skylight they call energy efficient, what BS) , and the outrageous $800~ I have to pay for electricity used, and it still gets too hot inside, damaging my health.
I fear our species will not survive much longer with the changes made to the environment by profit-hungry murderers.
@GreenRoc @luckytran that electricity price is crazy, how much is your kw/h cost and can you change electricity contract to other providers?
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The critical thing to understand about this air conditioning debate is that fossil fuel companies should be held accountable for destroying the planet.
That's the second reference to this i read. What's that about?
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@luckytran no one remembers that episode of captain planet where a/c heads just kept stubbornly turning their a/C's up higher and the whole planet was cooking?
@BigGangForEvery1 @luckytran Captain Planet was ultimately a very 90's shallow take on environmentalism that put the onus on individuals to fix problems caused by large corporations. It did good in raising general environmental awareness, but shouldn't be looked to for actual action imo. We need taxes on fossils, and goods from countries that lean on cheap fossils, to actually pay their externalities and stop giving them a false financial advantage against renewables.
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@BigGangForEvery1 @luckytran Captain Planet was ultimately a very 90's shallow take on environmentalism that put the onus on individuals to fix problems caused by large corporations. It did good in raising general environmental awareness, but shouldn't be looked to for actual action imo. We need taxes on fossils, and goods from countries that lean on cheap fossils, to actually pay their externalities and stop giving them a false financial advantage against renewables.
@hubertus @luckytran I'm sorry, but who's looking at captain planet for examples on action to take? I'm just talking about the particular episode that focused on the subject of air conditioning making heat waves actively worse.
I cannot summon an avatar of nature, and I don't think that's the point. If you want change organize utility strikes, these people have arithmomania. It will scare the shit out of them and bring them to your plebians' table.
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The critical thing to understand about this air conditioning debate is that fossil fuel companies should be held accountable for destroying the planet.
@luckytran Taxes to account for the free ride they're getting on externalized costs of air pollution and greenhouse emissions. While we're at it, taxes on imported goods proportional to the fossil fuel use of the country they're made in (no point in just shifting fossil fuel use overseas, greenhouse emissions don't care about borders). Get rid of the false financial advantage fossils have by making society cover their impact costs.
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@hubertus @luckytran I'm sorry, but who's looking at captain planet for examples on action to take? I'm just talking about the particular episode that focused on the subject of air conditioning making heat waves actively worse.
I cannot summon an avatar of nature, and I don't think that's the point. If you want change organize utility strikes, these people have arithmomania. It will scare the shit out of them and bring them to your plebians' table.
@BigGangForEvery1 @luckytran they don't though. Our choice of energy production is what makes it actively worse. Making people cook in 40+C weather because a corporation wants to make an extra buck burning coal to make their product instead of buying a solar panel is not the right answer. Even in the US, with pretty high use of AC, its use accounts for something like 6 or 7% of energy use. It's a drop in the bucket and was never the problem.
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@BigGangForEvery1 @luckytran they don't though. Our choice of energy production is what makes it actively worse. Making people cook in 40+C weather because a corporation wants to make an extra buck burning coal to make their product instead of buying a solar panel is not the right answer. Even in the US, with pretty high use of AC, its use accounts for something like 6 or 7% of energy use. It's a drop in the bucket and was never the problem.
@hubertus @luckytran they do. Try'em. Going for legislation first is the quickest way to depower the commoner. Give them something they can actually do. Collectively agree, and then keep your money
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@bsmall2 what's got me upset about the AC debate (from what I've seen) is that a lot of folks are punching down at people who use AC, as though we do it for funsies and not out of necessity, or as though we all have control over our home situations. (I rent, live in the subtropical US, our windows don't open, and I'm disabled, I cannot get hot or I will get very sick. It's not like I could fix the insulation or cooling system on the place we rent to be more eco friendly.) Sigh.
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@hubertus @luckytran they do. Try'em. Going for legislation first is the quickest way to depower the commoner. Give them something they can actually do. Collectively agree, and then keep your money
@BigGangForEvery1 @luckytran I'd agree if it had a significant impact and wasn't performative. People switching to vegetarian diets, for example, would be far, far more impactful and would directly incentivize companies to move resources away from meat production, which is a huge environmental impact.
Using less energy doesn't necessarily incentivize moving away from fossil fuels... if burning is still cheaper, that's still what they'll do.
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The critical thing to understand about this air conditioning debate is that fossil fuel companies should be held accountable for destroying the planet.
@luckytran What's more important to you. The enviroment or your pound of flesh from big oil? They provided the energy that society needed for over a hundred years. You shut them out of the Kyoto accords, along with anyone else who could have told you the plan wouldn't work. Then boldly said you'd hold them personally responsible for providing for our collective energy needs.
Both sides have made serious errors in judgement. The way forward is to let bygones be bygones & focus on solutions.
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@luckytran So I take you don't drive a car or use any fossil fuels in your daily existence, right? What is "destroying" the planet is people that make blanket statements they are #conditioned to except as fact while they ignore real dangerous issues like #DigitalID and the legal entanglements that come with that in my opinion. How do you say that the #coal burning electric companies have done any wrong? when most of us use #fossilfuels on a daily bases?
@snowpheonix @luckytran
How?
Well, coal is the worst fossil fuel, and the companies should have moved from it for any combustion they still do;
The pace of change from combustion to solar+wind has been slower than it should.
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@luckytran What's more important to you. The enviroment or your pound of flesh from big oil? They provided the energy that society needed for over a hundred years. You shut them out of the Kyoto accords, along with anyone else who could have told you the plan wouldn't work. Then boldly said you'd hold them personally responsible for providing for our collective energy needs.
Both sides have made serious errors in judgement. The way forward is to let bygones be bygones & focus on solutions.
You mean the solutions big oil companies spend a lot of money blocking? Like renewable energy projects that their lapdog in the white house keeps cancelling on their behalf?
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You mean the solutions big oil companies spend a lot of money blocking? Like renewable energy projects that their lapdog in the white house keeps cancelling on their behalf?
@gbargoud @luckytran I'm not up for defending either side. You're both assholes. But in all fairness your side DID punch first. You shut them out along with economists or even civil engineers with the energy sector experience when you laid plans to end their entire industry at their own punitive expense. What'd you expect? Them to roll over & die? Mistakes have been made by both sides.
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@gbargoud @luckytran I'm not up for defending either side. You're both assholes. But in all fairness your side DID punch first. You shut them out along with economists or even civil engineers with the energy sector experience when you laid plans to end their entire industry at their own punitive expense. What'd you expect? Them to roll over & die? Mistakes have been made by both sides.
whats your priority. The actual fucking environment or was that just a ruse to justify a personal vendetta?Oil companies have been burying studies about man-made climate change longer than I have been alive you absolute fucking tool.
