I don’t want a new phone.
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@akareilly It is absolutely not too much to ask. My phone is eight years old (a OnePlus 6). The last software update was exactly one week ago. It still works great, it's still updated, the battery is a *bit* of a pain to swap but far from impossible. But this is because I jumped through some hoops to choose this phone and to flash it with LineageOS. But if a small open source project with no discernable income stream can manage it, surely any of these corporations could too.
They say the free market gives us choice...but only if that choice means spending more money for less value -- ie, towards greater profitability for the corporations involved!
@admin @akareilly The first smartphone I had (so as to be able to run Signal) was used for many years.
Late in its life the USB port was dead and the battery weak, but the back at least could be opened. I got a camera battery with sufficient capacity that would fit in the opening, and soldered leads both to the battery and the phone. Another pair of leads went to a tiny USB standalone charging board glued to the battery.
Finally, I slotted the case back to accomodate the USB charging board. While the phone's battery monitor always read discharging, the LEDs on the charging board let up red when charging or running on AC power and green at full charge.
Note that on "modern" phones with closed backs, limiting battery charge to 80% should double battery life, same as it does for any other lithium battery.
I know you are "supposed" to trade in your phone for a new contract phone tied to you with ID, with tethering restricted and chock full of carrier spyware every year. I refuse to do so. I do not use carrier-provided phones at all, will not have a contract phone, and do not use stock Android any more either.
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@akareilly
Or even, as well as I, or even we, want to OWN and DECIDE what we want to do with our devices, without any company or anyone else forcing, influencing or limiting down our choices.Like it always has been for a very long time before 'Lock-in Vending' was a near exclusive thing.
@Shredd_Tone unfortunately OnePlus is closing for non-Asian markets...
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@akareilly
I'm happy to recommend Fairphone.
https://www.fairphone.com/@sticklandtim @akareilly I'm using a Fairphone 5 and quite happy with it. I hear Fairphone 6 is even better, and it is available in US.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly My carrier just announced that next spring they're changing the radio and everyone with older phones needs to buy a new one.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly
"flagship" phones are abominable.
I thought I saw/heard that iphone 18 models approach $2000.00 and they now have *leasing* options. -
I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Right to repair. Only it is fair
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@akareilly
I'm happy to recommend Fairphone.
https://www.fairphone.com/@sticklandtim @akareilly Too bad it isn't available in Brazil. I imagine that to be the case for other developing nations too.
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@fazalmajid @akareilly That issue should be resolved in better ways than by depriving phone users of a service. Too many government and commercial services require people to use digital devices. It's unfair and undemocratic to simply remove s service because it's easier for a telco that way. I'm disabled and needed the accessibility features my phone provided including a physical keyboard. There is no alternative accessible smart phone available in my country. Discrimination isn't justified by easier security.
What device is this, and accessibility features does it have?
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Imagine your gas station selling a new type of gasoline every year, and everyone is expected to buy a new car.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Perhaps we should require hardware manufacturers to make their drivers open source. Maybe that would fit within the scope of the right to repair?
I think that would really help to give us the possibility to change to an os we like and that provides updates over years.
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What device is this, and accessibility features does it have?
@nikolaenigmann Rather rude request from a stranger.
Unihertz Titan Rugged.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Me too. Big tech continues to make our perfectly good hardware become obsolete. Such a waste of resources.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly So buy a #Fairphone.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
Oh? Why updates? I would prefer working software from the start actually.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly I would add that I don't want each new version of the os to require ever more resources to just run basic stuff
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@kobold @sticklandtim @akareilly
At the beginning it crashed always using Android Auto. After update to Android 16, it had problems with WiFi. Still regular issues connecting to my Garmin. Helpdesk is a nightmare.@Mr_GHARice @kobold @sticklandtim @akareilly generally happy with my FP4, but it does have android auto issues (it won't run). And the Fairphone help desk were useless. Told me to factory reset the phone. For all the hassle that causes with logins, bank accounts and backed up data, I just didn't bother. The camera isn't great either, it's ok.
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No.
A custom Android firmware like Graphene, Calyx, /e/ etc. will tell you which hardware models are supported and they will update the hardware drivers that allow Android to run on those models. You do not need to receive any updates directly "from the original vendor".
@tasket there are parts of the phone firmware for which custom androids rely on the original vendor (e.g. major kernel updates, modem firmware). This is why graphene usually stops supporting pixels at the same time Google stops supporting them. They cannot maintain their level of security if those components are not updated by Google anymore.
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No.
A custom Android firmware like Graphene, Calyx, /e/ etc. will tell you which hardware models are supported and they will update the hardware drivers that allow Android to run on those models. You do not need to receive any updates directly "from the original vendor".
@tasket @akareilly Sorry, those baseband patches that GrapheneOS or Lineage OS are offering stop as soon as vendor support stops.
You can't extend device support by switching to an alternative ROM.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
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@akareilly With #Android, you can often switch to a different ROM. However, if you don't get updates from the original vendor (via original ROM or alternative ROM which uses the vendor patches which require vendor support), you accumulate all unpatched bugs that are below the OS level. Therefore, it's a risk you're taking here although you've switched to an hopefully up to date OS.
Best bet: only buy HW with vendor security support as long as possible. 5-7 years is good. Furthermore, for #privacy and #security reasons I'd recommend using #GrapheneOS right from the start. So you need to choose models that are supported by that.
HTH
Graphene only runs on Google phones. What use is there in an alternative rom if you have to buy your phone from the fascist US oligarchs...
The best way to get rid of both, in my opinion, is a Fairphone and /e/OS which is degoogled, meaning it does not use Google spyware services and software. And all my banking apps work, even those which don't run on LineageOS WITH Google services
