I don’t want a new phone.
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@fazalmajid @akareilly That issue should be resolved in better ways than by depriving phone users of a service. Too many government and commercial services require people to use digital devices. It's unfair and undemocratic to simply remove s service because it's easier for a telco that way. I'm disabled and needed the accessibility features my phone provided including a physical keyboard. There is no alternative accessible smart phone available in my country. Discrimination isn't justified by easier security.
What device is this, and accessibility features does it have?
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Imagine your gas station selling a new type of gasoline every year, and everyone is expected to buy a new car.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Perhaps we should require hardware manufacturers to make their drivers open source. Maybe that would fit within the scope of the right to repair?
I think that would really help to give us the possibility to change to an os we like and that provides updates over years.
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What device is this, and accessibility features does it have?
@nikolaenigmann Rather rude request from a stranger.
Unihertz Titan Rugged.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Me too. Big tech continues to make our perfectly good hardware become obsolete. Such a waste of resources.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly So buy a #Fairphone.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
Oh? Why updates? I would prefer working software from the start actually.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly I would add that I don't want each new version of the os to require ever more resources to just run basic stuff
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@kobold @sticklandtim @akareilly
At the beginning it crashed always using Android Auto. After update to Android 16, it had problems with WiFi. Still regular issues connecting to my Garmin. Helpdesk is a nightmare.@Mr_GHARice @kobold @sticklandtim @akareilly generally happy with my FP4, but it does have android auto issues (it won't run). And the Fairphone help desk were useless. Told me to factory reset the phone. For all the hassle that causes with logins, bank accounts and backed up data, I just didn't bother. The camera isn't great either, it's ok.
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No.
A custom Android firmware like Graphene, Calyx, /e/ etc. will tell you which hardware models are supported and they will update the hardware drivers that allow Android to run on those models. You do not need to receive any updates directly "from the original vendor".
@tasket there are parts of the phone firmware for which custom androids rely on the original vendor (e.g. major kernel updates, modem firmware). This is why graphene usually stops supporting pixels at the same time Google stops supporting them. They cannot maintain their level of security if those components are not updated by Google anymore.
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No.
A custom Android firmware like Graphene, Calyx, /e/ etc. will tell you which hardware models are supported and they will update the hardware drivers that allow Android to run on those models. You do not need to receive any updates directly "from the original vendor".
@tasket @akareilly Sorry, those baseband patches that GrapheneOS or Lineage OS are offering stop as soon as vendor support stops.
You can't extend device support by switching to an alternative ROM.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
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@akareilly With #Android, you can often switch to a different ROM. However, if you don't get updates from the original vendor (via original ROM or alternative ROM which uses the vendor patches which require vendor support), you accumulate all unpatched bugs that are below the OS level. Therefore, it's a risk you're taking here although you've switched to an hopefully up to date OS.
Best bet: only buy HW with vendor security support as long as possible. 5-7 years is good. Furthermore, for #privacy and #security reasons I'd recommend using #GrapheneOS right from the start. So you need to choose models that are supported by that.
HTH
Graphene only runs on Google phones. What use is there in an alternative rom if you have to buy your phone from the fascist US oligarchs...
The best way to get rid of both, in my opinion, is a Fairphone and /e/OS which is degoogled, meaning it does not use Google spyware services and software. And all my banking apps work, even those which don't run on LineageOS WITH Google services
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@tasket @akareilly Sorry, those baseband patches that GrapheneOS or Lineage OS are offering stop as soon as vendor support stops.
You can't extend device support by switching to an alternative ROM.
@publicvoit The context in which you made your remarks imply that the user has to stay with the OS / update system supplied by the original vendor to keep receiving proper updates. That is not true. The user's phone can receive updates via the alternative OS.
Its much different to say that the hardware only receives driver updates for as long as the hw vendor publishes them.
Somewhat related topic: The FSF has started a project to reverse engineer hardware (create drivers) for Android phones.
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@akareilly check out GrapheneOS, or Lineage OS which is less secure but has wider hardware compatibility
Graphene only runs on Google phones.
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Graphene only runs on Google phones.
@HarryMutt @akareilly and next year Motorola ones.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly I literally just switched both screen and battery on my Fairphone 4. I'm planning to use it until no longer possible.
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I don’t want a new phone. I want my perfectly good hardware to keep getting updates until it actually stops working. I want replaceable batteries that get recycled. If a company stops giving updates I want to be able to change the OS.
@akareilly Amen
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the only reason my phone that is over 10 years old doesn’t work is because of the choice to stop updates
@akareilly
If it's an Android phone, LineageOS could probably do the trick. It took my Pixel 4XL all the way up to Android 17, with a view to security updates and future Android versions -
@HarryMutt @akareilly and next year Motorola ones.
Still a US mega corporation. Boycott them. Buy independent. Buy a Fairphone or one of the other alternatives. Don't support big money.
And if the people behind Graphene were serious, they WOULD support those alternatives. That they don't do that makes me doubt their motives.
