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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

    If you live outside of the United States,
    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

    What would happen to your work?

    What would happen to your hospitals?

    What would happen to your emergency services?

    What would happen to your banks?

    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

    What would happen?
    Is your country prepared?

    #DataSovereignty

    mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
    mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
    mwt@mastodon.nz
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #55

    @Em0nM4stodon nope, we are so guzzling the Microsoft/AWS koolaid here that we'd definitely grind to a halt. Might be why our current government is kowtowing to the US government and trying to turn us into a mini-US.

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

      javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
      javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
      javensbukan@cosocial.ca
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #56

      @Em0nM4stodon Work in a Hospital in Canada supporting the IT infrastructure - and yeah, we do!

      We have an offline physical PC preloaded with PDFs connected to USB printers available at all units in case the main EMR were to somehow spectacularly explode or all internet is lost - they'd revert to paper charting and bust out their pre made downtime kits with workflow instructions.

      All units also have 'red phones' using dedicated copper circuits incase cellular or the main digital PBXes fail. 😅

      javensbukan@cosocial.caJ em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE mcnado@mstdn.socialM 3 Replies Last reply
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      • blotosmetek@circumstances.runB blotosmetek@circumstances.run

        @barbra @Em0nM4stodon So, Windows 10 is not a Microsoft product?

        mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
        mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
        mwt@mastodon.nz
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #57

        @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon I have a mini-computer that was Windows 2000 when I got it. It has never seen the internet and (as long as I'm in charge of it) never will. My spouse updated it to XP a few years ago, I don't think it improved anything. I use it to play one very old Windows only computer game.

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

          canleaf@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
          canleaf@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
          canleaf@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #58

          @Em0nM4stodon we would be fucked.

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

            jorgecandeias@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jorgecandeias@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jorgecandeias@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #59

            @Em0nM4stodon My country's government included until recently a guy that came straight out of Microsoft and who only left to become mayor of the second largest city in the country.

            That ought to tell you all you need to know about that.

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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              If you live outside of the United States,
              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

              What would happen to your work?

              What would happen to your hospitals?

              What would happen to your emergency services?

              What would happen to your banks?

              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

              What would happen?
              Is your country prepared?

              #DataSovereignty

              gpshewan@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
              gpshewan@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
              gpshewan@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #60

              @Em0nM4stodon I’ve asked that question for about a year, always met with blank stares. Same stare we used to get running pandemic scenarios for BCP work

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                geraintllanfrancheta@hachyderm.ioG This user is from outside of this forum
                geraintllanfrancheta@hachyderm.ioG This user is from outside of this forum
                geraintllanfrancheta@hachyderm.io
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #61

                @Em0nM4stodon "dont look up". Businesses give usually a shit. Stupid. Sadly the "Best Practices" how to do it are #fuckrussia and #evilchina

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  jameshowell@fediscience.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  jameshowell@fediscience.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  jameshowell@fediscience.org
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #62

                  @Em0nM4stodon

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                  • javensbukan@cosocial.caJ javensbukan@cosocial.ca

                    @Em0nM4stodon Work in a Hospital in Canada supporting the IT infrastructure - and yeah, we do!

                    We have an offline physical PC preloaded with PDFs connected to USB printers available at all units in case the main EMR were to somehow spectacularly explode or all internet is lost - they'd revert to paper charting and bust out their pre made downtime kits with workflow instructions.

                    All units also have 'red phones' using dedicated copper circuits incase cellular or the main digital PBXes fail. 😅

                    javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
                    javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
                    javensbukan@cosocial.ca
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #63

                    @Em0nM4stodon All units also have at least one Analog fax on standby (integrated into an MFP) for document flow in case the EMR dies for forwarding reqs and orders.

                    It would suuuuuck, but that's what they used before the new system, so not end of world (slow though).

                    They wouldn't have access to records though which would suck, but they'd be able to record that information based on physical tracking boards still used in most units.

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      If you live outside of the United States,
                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                      What would happen to your work?

                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                      What would happen to your banks?

                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                      What would happen?
                      Is your country prepared?

                      #DataSovereignty

                      hunteranton@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                      hunteranton@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                      hunteranton@mastodon.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #64

                      @Em0nM4stodon no, they do not.

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH This user is from outside of this forum
                        holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH This user is from outside of this forum
                        holliek72@mastodonapp.uk
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #65

                        @Em0nM4stodon A plan? Don't be ridiculous!

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          If you live outside of the United States,
                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                          What would happen to your work?

                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                          What would happen to your banks?

                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                          What would happen?
                          Is your country prepared?

                          #DataSovereignty

                          argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
                          argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
                          argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #66

                          @Em0nM4stodon

                          The EU's next-generation digital ID system requires a genuine unmodified phone from a US manufacturer.

                          That entire continent would get a surprised look on its face and fall off the bottom of the screen. Doo-doot doot doot doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doot. Game over.

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            If you live outside of the United States,
                            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                            What would happen to your work?

                            What would happen to your hospitals?

                            What would happen to your emergency services?

                            What would happen to your banks?

                            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                            What would happen?
                            Is your country prepared?

                            #DataSovereignty

                            paxil@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                            paxil@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                            paxil@mastodon.social
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #67

                            @Em0nM4stodon #China can supply all those probably at less cost. Didi is more popular than Uber in Mexico.

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                            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                              If you live outside of the United States,
                              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                              What would happen to your work?

                              What would happen to your hospitals?

                              What would happen to your emergency services?

                              What would happen to your banks?

                              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                              What would happen?
                              Is your country prepared?

                              #DataSovereignty

                              dside@mastodon.mlD This user is from outside of this forum
                              dside@mastodon.mlD This user is from outside of this forum
                              dside@mastodon.ml
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #68

                              @Em0nM4stodon Russia here. To summarize, probably more than most. Heck, a lot of it was cut from within already.
                              ISPs are already legally forced to install govt traffic filters and most recently globally trusted CAs stopped issuing certificates for local banks, forcing them to transition to certs issued by the govt's CA – the roots of which are installed manually or available preinstalled in Yandex Browser; there are no mandates to do either, but people prefer their online banking to be accessible.

                              Visa and MasterCard left in 2022, local MIR and SBP handle electronic payments, major socials have been banned before with citizenry being herded towards govt-affiliated platforms VK and MAX, hounded by incessant ads and competitors not working (inaccessible servers).

                              Businesses can subsist on pirated software and some local alternatives.

                              Overall, this disentanglement from the rest of the world is one of many things that made the incursion in 2022 possible. So… mixed feelings about this.

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                If you live outside of the United States,
                                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                What would happen to your work?

                                What would happen to your hospitals?

                                What would happen to your emergency services?

                                What would happen to your banks?

                                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                What would happen?
                                Is your country prepared?

                                #DataSovereignty

                                cafeinux@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
                                cafeinux@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
                                cafeinux@infosec.exchange
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #69

                                @Em0nM4stodon
                                My company would literally stop working, as we're going all in in Microsoft services.
                                And I'd be standing there, pointing at the COO, laughing like Nelson Muntz, and saying "I told you".

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
                                  mensrea@freeradical.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
                                  mensrea@freeradical.zone
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #70

                                  @Em0nM4stodon i believe the term you are looking for is "unmitigated disaster". hell, our city website is sharepoint

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

                                    amgine@mamot.frA This user is from outside of this forum
                                    amgine@mamot.frA This user is from outside of this forum
                                    amgine@mamot.fr
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #71

                                    @Em0nM4stodon

                                    It would take a few weeks for most critical government services to be back on line in Canada.

                                    I and my family outside of the USA would not miss much; we already have working systems for most of those services, including a Euro Office collaborative setup. We have self-hosted email servers on three continents.

                                    But private industry would collapse and self-immolate.

                                    And that includes almost all the food infrastructure - now largely owned by US corporations.

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                                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                      If you live outside of the United States,
                                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                      What would happen to your work?

                                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                                      What would happen to your banks?

                                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                      What would happen?
                                      Is your country prepared?

                                      #DataSovereignty

                                      lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                                      lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                                      lukefromdc@kolektiva.social
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #72

                                      @Em0nM4stodon This also applies to folks INSIDE the US who are not in-solid GOP supporters.

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

                                        dryak@mstdn.scienceD This user is from outside of this forum
                                        dryak@mstdn.scienceD This user is from outside of this forum
                                        dryak@mstdn.science
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #73

                                        @Em0nM4stodon My work? I would be mildly inconvenienced as currently the github action workers are better than the other runners at my disposal, but this would be balanced by the opportunities to make fun of all colleague who went Microsoft 365 "but they promised data was hosted on a datacentre in the country".

                                        Our institute @ethz.ch hosts local instances of gitlab, nextcloud, matrix, etc. that I actively use as redundancy (git) or primary storage (docs).

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                                        • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

                                          @Em0nM4stodon My work? I would be mildly inconvenienced as currently the github action workers are better than the other runners at my disposal, but this would be balanced by the opportunities to make fun of all colleague who went Microsoft 365 "but they promised data was hosted on a datacentre in the country".

                                          Our institute @ethz.ch hosts local instances of gitlab, nextcloud, matrix, etc. that I actively use as redundancy (git) or primary storage (docs).

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                                          dryak@mstdn.science
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #74

                                          @Em0nM4stodon in addition we have our own scientific cluster so data analysis would continue as usual, and the online platforms we publish are hosted in EU at @hetzner

                                          On top of that I have my own offsite backup (diy server at my parents)

                                          I haven't been relying on windows for decades (and more recently even game under Linux thanks to #SteamDeck)

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