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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • hiway@mastodon.socialH hiway@mastodon.social

    @Em0nM4stodon not sure about the bigger picture, but many govt offices use Linux. As far as what the incumbents think they need to function, we have great home made surveillance and identification/oppression systems already in place.

    raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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    raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #49

    @hiway @Em0nM4stodon
    Ireland is very dominated by Microsoft in Gov & semi-state etc.
    Also most businesses.
    Some schools are Apple.

    Personally we are not dependent on US tech online in the house. Our email & hosing might all still work (German based). The ISP uses MS for most office stuff but maybe mostly Linux for the actual routers etc. That used to be true.

    Mobile and much broadband might go off-line due to billing issues!

    I doubt there is any plan.

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

      cyrilbrulebois@mamot.frC This user is from outside of this forum
      cyrilbrulebois@mamot.frC This user is from outside of this forum
      cyrilbrulebois@mamot.fr
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #50

      @Em0nM4stodon @OdyX Throw your arms in the air with the famous “qui aurait pu prédire ?” catchphrase (loosely translated as “who could have predicted this?”). That's Macron's response to basically everything (with some exceptions like “come and get me”, for an increased fuck-you score).

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        If you live outside of the United States,
        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

        What would happen to your work?

        What would happen to your hospitals?

        What would happen to your emergency services?

        What would happen to your banks?

        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

        What would happen?
        Is your country prepared?

        #DataSovereignty

        catdragon@mastodon.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
        catdragon@mastodon.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
        catdragon@mastodon.world
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #51

        @Em0nM4stodon as though the techlogarchs would stop the cash flowing in for a day.

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

          timwardcam@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
          timwardcam@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
          timwardcam@c.im
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #52

          @Em0nM4stodon You could have included Visa and Mastercard.

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            If you live outside of the United States,
            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

            What would happen to your work?

            What would happen to your hospitals?

            What would happen to your emergency services?

            What would happen to your banks?

            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

            What would happen?
            Is your country prepared?

            #DataSovereignty

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            da_kink@defcon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #53

            @Em0nM4stodon I cant roll out software quickly, but in terms of files I'd be alright.

            The big problem would be SSO things, those are based on Intune and I don't know how quick I could spin up a different solution and get all programs changed that are SaaS and as such not administrated by ourselves.

            Our primary care process could continue, but support would be flying blind.

            Annoyingly, this is one of the DR scenarios we've been considering but so far the only real outcome to negate is "everything needs to be selfhosted and split between two datacenters"

            As for endpoints, it would be a disaster for around 25% of employees. Most of our primary process uses ipads and webbased software. But the rest live in outlook of course.

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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              If you live outside of the United States,
              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

              What would happen to your work?

              What would happen to your hospitals?

              What would happen to your emergency services?

              What would happen to your banks?

              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

              What would happen?
              Is your country prepared?

              #DataSovereignty

              carmenlisandrette@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
              carmenlisandrette@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
              carmenlisandrette@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #54

              @Em0nM4stodon

              NZ here. lol no.

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
                mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
                mwt@mastodon.nz
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #55

                @Em0nM4stodon nope, we are so guzzling the Microsoft/AWS koolaid here that we'd definitely grind to a halt. Might be why our current government is kowtowing to the US government and trying to turn us into a mini-US.

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  javensbukan@cosocial.ca
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #56

                  @Em0nM4stodon Work in a Hospital in Canada supporting the IT infrastructure - and yeah, we do!

                  We have an offline physical PC preloaded with PDFs connected to USB printers available at all units in case the main EMR were to somehow spectacularly explode or all internet is lost - they'd revert to paper charting and bust out their pre made downtime kits with workflow instructions.

                  All units also have 'red phones' using dedicated copper circuits incase cellular or the main digital PBXes fail. 😅

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                  • blotosmetek@circumstances.runB blotosmetek@circumstances.run

                    @barbra @Em0nM4stodon So, Windows 10 is not a Microsoft product?

                    mwt@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    mwt@mastodon.nz
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #57

                    @blotosmetek @barbra @Em0nM4stodon I have a mini-computer that was Windows 2000 when I got it. It has never seen the internet and (as long as I'm in charge of it) never will. My spouse updated it to XP a few years ago, I don't think it improved anything. I use it to play one very old Windows only computer game.

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      If you live outside of the United States,
                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                      What would happen to your work?

                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                      What would happen to your banks?

                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                      What would happen?
                      Is your country prepared?

                      #DataSovereignty

                      canleaf@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                      canleaf@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                      canleaf@mastodon.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #58

                      @Em0nM4stodon we would be fucked.

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        jorgecandeias@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        jorgecandeias@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        jorgecandeias@mastodon.social
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #59

                        @Em0nM4stodon My country's government included until recently a guy that came straight out of Microsoft and who only left to become mayor of the second largest city in the country.

                        That ought to tell you all you need to know about that.

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          If you live outside of the United States,
                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                          What would happen to your work?

                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                          What would happen to your banks?

                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                          What would happen?
                          Is your country prepared?

                          #DataSovereignty

                          gpshewan@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                          gpshewan@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                          gpshewan@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #60

                          @Em0nM4stodon I’ve asked that question for about a year, always met with blank stares. Same stare we used to get running pandemic scenarios for BCP work

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            If you live outside of the United States,
                            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                            What would happen to your work?

                            What would happen to your hospitals?

                            What would happen to your emergency services?

                            What would happen to your banks?

                            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                            What would happen?
                            Is your country prepared?

                            #DataSovereignty

                            geraintllanfrancheta@hachyderm.ioG This user is from outside of this forum
                            geraintllanfrancheta@hachyderm.ioG This user is from outside of this forum
                            geraintllanfrancheta@hachyderm.io
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #61

                            @Em0nM4stodon "dont look up". Businesses give usually a shit. Stupid. Sadly the "Best Practices" how to do it are #fuckrussia and #evilchina

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                            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                              If you live outside of the United States,
                              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                              What would happen to your work?

                              What would happen to your hospitals?

                              What would happen to your emergency services?

                              What would happen to your banks?

                              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                              What would happen?
                              Is your country prepared?

                              #DataSovereignty

                              jameshowell@fediscience.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
                              jameshowell@fediscience.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
                              jameshowell@fediscience.org
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #62

                              @Em0nM4stodon

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                              • javensbukan@cosocial.caJ javensbukan@cosocial.ca

                                @Em0nM4stodon Work in a Hospital in Canada supporting the IT infrastructure - and yeah, we do!

                                We have an offline physical PC preloaded with PDFs connected to USB printers available at all units in case the main EMR were to somehow spectacularly explode or all internet is lost - they'd revert to paper charting and bust out their pre made downtime kits with workflow instructions.

                                All units also have 'red phones' using dedicated copper circuits incase cellular or the main digital PBXes fail. 😅

                                javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                javensbukan@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
                                javensbukan@cosocial.ca
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #63

                                @Em0nM4stodon All units also have at least one Analog fax on standby (integrated into an MFP) for document flow in case the EMR dies for forwarding reqs and orders.

                                It would suuuuuck, but that's what they used before the new system, so not end of world (slow though).

                                They wouldn't have access to records though which would suck, but they'd be able to record that information based on physical tracking boards still used in most units.

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  hunteranton@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                                  hunteranton@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
                                  hunteranton@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #64

                                  @Em0nM4stodon no, they do not.

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                                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                    If you live outside of the United States,
                                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                    What would happen to your work?

                                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                                    What would happen to your banks?

                                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                    What would happen?
                                    Is your country prepared?

                                    #DataSovereignty

                                    holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH This user is from outside of this forum
                                    holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH This user is from outside of this forum
                                    holliek72@mastodonapp.uk
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #65

                                    @Em0nM4stodon A plan? Don't be ridiculous!

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                                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                      If you live outside of the United States,
                                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                      What would happen to your work?

                                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                                      What would happen to your banks?

                                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                      What would happen?
                                      Is your country prepared?

                                      #DataSovereignty

                                      argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #66

                                      @Em0nM4stodon

                                      The EU's next-generation digital ID system requires a genuine unmodified phone from a US manufacturer.

                                      That entire continent would get a surprised look on its face and fall off the bottom of the screen. Doo-doot doot doot doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doot. Game over.

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

                                        paxil@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        paxil@mastodon.social
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #67

                                        @Em0nM4stodon #China can supply all those probably at less cost. Didi is more popular than Uber in Mexico.

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                                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                          If you live outside of the United States,
                                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                          What would happen to your work?

                                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                                          What would happen to your banks?

                                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                          What would happen?
                                          Is your country prepared?

                                          #DataSovereignty

                                          dside@mastodon.mlD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          dside@mastodon.ml
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #68

                                          @Em0nM4stodon Russia here. To summarize, probably more than most. Heck, a lot of it was cut from within already.
                                          ISPs are already legally forced to install govt traffic filters and most recently globally trusted CAs stopped issuing certificates for local banks, forcing them to transition to certs issued by the govt's CA – the roots of which are installed manually or available preinstalled in Yandex Browser; there are no mandates to do either, but people prefer their online banking to be accessible.

                                          Visa and MasterCard left in 2022, local MIR and SBP handle electronic payments, major socials have been banned before with citizenry being herded towards govt-affiliated platforms VK and MAX, hounded by incessant ads and competitors not working (inaccessible servers).

                                          Businesses can subsist on pirated software and some local alternatives.

                                          Overall, this disentanglement from the rest of the world is one of many things that made the incursion in 2022 possible. So… mixed feelings about this.

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