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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Ecosia’s odious greenwashing — now with AI

    plants vs zombies

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqF8ECpAIzs&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
    https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260703-ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai - podcast

    time: 7 min 11 sec

    https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/07/03/ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai/ - blog post

    dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD bbbhltz@framapiaf.orgB someplaceunknown@mastodon.socialS rycochet@furs.socialR miquel@dice.campM 5 Replies Last reply
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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      Ecosia’s odious greenwashing — now with AI

      plants vs zombies

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqF8ECpAIzs&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
      https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260703-ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai - podcast

      time: 7 min 11 sec

      https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/07/03/ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai/ - blog post

      dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @davidgerard you can't pin ecosia on plants vs zombies - it's not their fault

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        Ecosia’s odious greenwashing — now with AI

        plants vs zombies

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqF8ECpAIzs&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
        https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260703-ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai - podcast

        time: 7 min 11 sec

        https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/07/03/ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai/ - blog post

        bbbhltz@framapiaf.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
        bbbhltz@framapiaf.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @davidgerard has their team-up with #Qwant gone anywhere yet?

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        • bbbhltz@framapiaf.orgB bbbhltz@framapiaf.org

          @davidgerard has their team-up with #Qwant gone anywhere yet?

          davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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          @bbbhltz yeah, it's Staan.AI, which is their Mistral vendor

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            Ecosia’s odious greenwashing — now with AI

            plants vs zombies

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqF8ECpAIzs&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
            https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260703-ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai - podcast

            time: 7 min 11 sec

            https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/07/03/ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai/ - blog post

            someplaceunknown@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
            someplaceunknown@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @davidgerard I love this

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            • someplaceunknown@mastodon.socialS someplaceunknown@mastodon.social

              @davidgerard I love this

              davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @Someplaceunknown as VERIFIED by TRUE IMAGE CLASSIFIERS

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              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                Ecosia’s odious greenwashing — now with AI

                plants vs zombies

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqF8ECpAIzs&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
                https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260703-ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai - podcast

                time: 7 min 11 sec

                https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/07/03/ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai/ - blog post

                rycochet@furs.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                @davidgerard The Anthropic of search. They say the right words, not because they believe them, but because they want to use them as a shield until they get big, then devalue them entirely and just use them as a catchphrase in a hacky comedy. 'Green, am I right? Pause for applause.'

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                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                  Ecosia’s odious greenwashing — now with AI

                  plants vs zombies

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqF8ECpAIzs&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
                  https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260703-ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai - podcast

                  time: 7 min 11 sec

                  https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/07/03/ecosias-odious-greenwashing-now-with-ai/ - blog post

                  miquel@dice.campM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @davidgerard
                  > basically they’re all Google or Bing

                  btw, two years ago they announced this: https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-join-forces-to-develop-european-search-index/

                  I don't really know how far it went, but it was supposed to be launched in 2025 already. Afaik, both Qwant and Ecosia still use Google/Bing.

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                  • miquel@dice.campM miquel@dice.camp

                    @davidgerard
                    > basically they’re all Google or Bing

                    btw, two years ago they announced this: https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-join-forces-to-develop-european-search-index/

                    I don't really know how far it went, but it was supposed to be launched in 2025 already. Afaik, both Qwant and Ecosia still use Google/Bing.

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                    @miquel this is now Staan,.AI, which is Ecosia's Mistral vendor

                    so yeah Ecosia should be able to say *with precision* how much power their AI uses

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                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                      @bbbhltz yeah, it's Staan.AI, which is their Mistral vendor

                      tokeriis@helvede.netT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @davidgerard @bbbhltz Their joint European search index are not only about sovereignty. They sell the index for AI training. Stan is "Powered by European Search Perspective". I hate the cesspool that web search has become.

                      https://www.eu-searchperspective.com/#advantages

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