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  • osma@mas.toO This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
    https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

    depemig@social.coopD alecmuffett@mastodon.socialA marc_eu@veganism.socialM tarabara@indieweb.socialT nmba@mstdn.caN 12 Replies Last reply
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    • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

      Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
      https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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      #2

      @osma And another article failing to properly mention that an age ban affects *everyone*. Also you, adult, will need to prove your age.

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      • depemig@social.coopD depemig@social.coop

        @osma And another article failing to properly mention that an age ban affects *everyone*. Also you, adult, will need to prove your age.

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        #3

        @DePemig @osma Exactly, especially as there’s currently no measure to prove age that can’t be turned into digital infrastructure for authoritarianism easily. It’d be ineffective at protecting children but potentially effective at stifling free speech.

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        • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

          Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
          https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

          alecmuffett@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @osma Estonia is only half correct, because they are still pushing for regulation of the platform as being the solution for child safety.

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          • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

            Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
            https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

            marc_eu@veganism.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @osma
            Don't agree. Many parents don't care.

            Governments don't allow children to smoke, so why not put a ban on SM for children?

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            • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

              @osma
              Don't agree. Many parents don't care.

              Governments don't allow children to smoke, so why not put a ban on SM for children?

              elcelio@mastodon.unoE This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @marc_eu @osma
              smoking is not safe for adults either.

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              • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                #7

                @osma Thank you. Once again, governments/politicians will do everything but hold power to account. Far easier to pin the blame on, and control the behaviors of, the victims/vulnerable.

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                • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                  Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                  https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

                  nmba@mstdn.caN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @osma
                  It's Epstein logic where the sicko rich men are sheltered to continue their evil, and the kids are victimized by losing access.

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                  • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                    Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                    https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

                    hllizi@hespere.deH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @osma and with us.

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                    • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                      Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                      https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                      #10

                      @osma You’re almost there… but you’ve missed the core point.

                      Safety isn’t just about “what platforms do with data” … it’s about power asymmetry. Children are vulnerable because they lack agency, not because adults are equally exposed.

                      If everything is unsafe for everyone, you dilute responsibility. Adults choose… children don’t.

                      Regulation should reflect that difference, not erase it.

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                      • elcelio@mastodon.unoE elcelio@mastodon.uno

                        @marc_eu @osma
                        smoking is not safe for adults either.

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                        #11

                        @elCelio Indeed. And at least in Finland, the idea is that we want to ban smoking altogether. Slowly we make it more and more difficult for companies to market and sell smoking products, because we know they are not good for anyone.

                        Not so with social media. It’s good for anyone to connect with other people. We just want to remove the exploitation.

                        @marc_eu @osma

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                        • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                          Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                          https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                          #12

                          @osma Filtering is a form of "ban". It's basic #BehavioralScience, which there is far too little of.

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                          • zenfin@mementomori.socialZ zenfin@mementomori.social

                            @elCelio Indeed. And at least in Finland, the idea is that we want to ban smoking altogether. Slowly we make it more and more difficult for companies to market and sell smoking products, because we know they are not good for anyone.

                            Not so with social media. It’s good for anyone to connect with other people. We just want to remove the exploitation.

                            @marc_eu @osma

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                            #13

                            @zenfin @marc_eu @osma

                            social media is the new global town square.

                            how much should it be controlled and regulated by private corporations?

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                            • elcelio@mastodon.unoE elcelio@mastodon.uno

                              @zenfin @marc_eu @osma

                              social media is the new global town square.

                              how much should it be controlled and regulated by private corporations?

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                              #14

                              RE: https://mas.to/@osma/116095472833326752

                              The editorial control by a corporation is what defines media, including social media. Nothing that is controlled by a private corporation can be a "town square", never mind a global one.
                              @elCelio @zenfin @marc_eu

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                              • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                RE: https://mas.to/@osma/116095472833326752

                                The editorial control by a corporation is what defines media, including social media. Nothing that is controlled by a private corporation can be a "town square", never mind a global one.
                                @elCelio @zenfin @marc_eu

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                                #15

                                @osma @zenfin @marc_eu
                                yes, this is my point.

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                                • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                  Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                                  https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                                  #16

                                  @osma Correct. All this age restriction is just cope to avoid regulating the platforms themselves.

                                  Either aomebody is looking for a payout, or more likely, afraid of the wrath of social media companies could pull on their election campaigns if they ’oppose’ them.

                                  At least somebody still got some guts.

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                                  • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                    Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                                    https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

                                    lori@cambrian.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17
                                    @osma Maybe there's something to that "digital republic" mystique.
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                                    • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                      Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                                      https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                                      #18

                                      @osma
                                      I don’t know if we can call a country that turns over their educational system to chatGPT “correct”.
                                      #bigtech #chatGPT #education #estonia #socialmedia #safety

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                                      • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                        Estonia is correct. The responsibility to keep children safe falls on adults and platform operators, not on the kids. If social media isn't safe for children, it's not safe for adults either, because the safety this is about isn't about the content, but of what the platforms do with our data.
                                        https://thenextweb.com/news/estonia-eu-child-social-media-ban-opposition

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                                        #19

                                        Here's a good longer piece explaining why age verification solves nothing for children's safety, puts all of us at risk, violates fundamental privacy protections and lets the bad actors, "social" ad platforms off the hook. By @zackwhittaker
                                        https://this.weekinsecurity.com/papers-please-age-verification-laws-threaten-everyones-online-security-and-privacy/

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                                        • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                                          Here's a good longer piece explaining why age verification solves nothing for children's safety, puts all of us at risk, violates fundamental privacy protections and lets the bad actors, "social" ad platforms off the hook. By @zackwhittaker
                                          https://this.weekinsecurity.com/papers-please-age-verification-laws-threaten-everyones-online-security-and-privacy/

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                                          #20

                                          @osma @zackwhittaker And the framework to enforce it will be the tombstone of Liberty and Democracy in the West.

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