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  3. Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be.

Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be.

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  • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

    Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

    Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

    #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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    #39

    @Jeroen89

    I've been driving interstate ( #australia) for the past 40 years...

    ... Early on, each time I stopped for gas, I had to scrape thick mush of dead insects off the car.

    I used to have fly screen mesh on the car grill so insects wouldn't clog the radiator.

    These days I travel less often, but there are only about 10-25% as many insects

    #insects #extinction

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    • cyrevolt@mastodon.socialC cyrevolt@mastodon.social

      @martaczc this appears to be the original source:
      https://www.facebook.com/weareparklanelandscapes/posts/pfbid0Q5N7mYUxe12PJ4rnnFBqZW7LDU4gMGQTih54ofHo94MFJYtGhn2NvW62dTFc6oxUl

      misty@digipres.clubM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #40

      @CyReVolt @martaczc It's by a random landscaping company that doesn't normally post illustrations, so I'm inclined to think yes, it's AI-generated.

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      • kete@mstdn.socialK kete@mstdn.social

        @sarae What are some of the AI styles?

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        #41

        @kete @sarae This specific look of cartoon illustration is very common among AI image generators. I think it's useful to be able to recognize because you really do start seeing it all over the place.

        (Someone else in the mentions pointed out that this has an odd mix of North American and European animals, which isn't what you'd expect to see in an informative illustration created by an actual human.)

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        • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

          Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

          Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

          #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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          #42

          @Jeroen89 I’m old enough to remember front number plates being covered in dead insects after a moderately short drive. Now I can drive thousands of miles and perhaps get just a couple of the poor unfortunates on my car. That’s an apocalyptic decrease!

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          • voxofgod@fuckaas.spaceV voxofgod@fuckaas.space

            RE: https://mastodon-belgium.be/@Jeroen89/116493556060663013

            @Jeroen89 can't remember the last time I heard bugs on a windshield

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            #43

            @Voxofgod @Jeroen89 Jeepers, as a kid on long family trips, I recall having to clean the windshield off when we stopped for gas. I haven't driven a car in a couple decades — so scraping bugs off is no longer a thing?

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            • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

              Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

              Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

              #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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              #44

              @Jeroen89 The difference between 1850 and 1950 is apocalyptic. The extermination of trees for logging, the near extinction of the American chestnut trees, and the introduction of kudzu.

              We’ve been tampering with forests for far longer though: https://www.americanforests.org/article/north-american-forests-in-the-age-of-man/

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              • jrdepriest@infosec.exchangeJ jrdepriest@infosec.exchange

                @footils @Jeroen89

                I remember there used to be way more insects at night, even just 20 years ago, let alone 40.

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                #45

                @jrdepriest @footils @Jeroen89

                I was brought up in the industrial West of Germany, but 40 years ago, even there a drive on the Autobahn at night meant you had to pull over regularly to clean all the dead insects off your windshield.

                Nowadays I can drive for hours without a single bug hitting my car...

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                • ckd@mas.toC ckd@mas.to

                  @jrdepriest @footils @Jeroen89

                  I was brought up in the industrial West of Germany, but 40 years ago, even there a drive on the Autobahn at night meant you had to pull over regularly to clean all the dead insects off your windshield.

                  Nowadays I can drive for hours without a single bug hitting my car...

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                  #46

                  @ckd @jrdepriest @Jeroen89
                  The car has won.

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                  • phf@dmv.communityP phf@dmv.community

                    @Jeroen89 If you want a jungle, you need to let it be a jungle. There's no "carefully extracting some resources" or any such thing, it will destroy the jungle. (I use jungle in a generic way to mean "nature, undisturbed" if I may.) And that's why with capitalism, you cannot have jungles. All jungles will be "extracted for profit" because growing the jungle is an externalized (to the past) cost, not having the jungle is an externalized (to the future) cost, but profit is being made NOW. Want change? Gotta go chop down some rich people instead of trees, no way around it. 🤷 (Figuratively, of course. But chop you must.)

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                    #47

                    @phf @Jeroen89 Actually, chopping down billionaires literally could be ethically justified... As long as you are environmentally aware, and make sure you dispose of the bodies in an environmentally friendly way. The effect of one billionaire on the world is more than a great number of the world's countries.

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                    • phf@dmv.communityP phf@dmv.community

                      @atlovato Only problem being that taking their money will not save the jungle.

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                      #48

                      @phf - Yeah; @ObsidianUrbex age has just begun and they don't care about you and I.

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                      • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                        Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                        Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                        #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                        #49

                        @Jeroen89 Wenn "Umweltschützer" einen ihrer Meinung nach "ursprünglichen" oder "natürlichen" Zustand "wieder" herstellen wollen, wird auch oft nur Schaden angerichtet.

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                        • martaczc@mastodon.com.plM martaczc@mastodon.com.pl

                          @Jeroen89 is it ai generated picture? It contains a strange mixture of european and north american species, which may be typical nowadays, but not in 1800.

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                          #50

                          @martaczc @Jeroen89 I think it is, it has that weird overdetailed cartoon style that gets more wrong the more you look at it. Frustrating how the slop just seems to colonize every space…

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                          • misty@digipres.clubM misty@digipres.club

                            @kete @sarae This specific look of cartoon illustration is very common among AI image generators. I think it's useful to be able to recognize because you really do start seeing it all over the place.

                            (Someone else in the mentions pointed out that this has an odd mix of North American and European animals, which isn't what you'd expect to see in an informative illustration created by an actual human.)

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                            #51

                            @misty @kete @sarae How would one confirm if this was AI generated or human drawn?

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                            • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                              Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                              Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                              #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                              #52

                              @Jeroen89 I emailed this to Parklane Landscapes, "There is an interesting conversation on Mastodon social media about a graphic attributed to your organization.  I have attached a link to the conversation. My question is was your graphic AI generated? It illustrates a concept we should be aware of, but using AI on a regular basis can be questionable for "nature workers" due to the negative environmental costs of implementing the technology. I would appreciate it if you were to clarify this."

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                              • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                                Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                                Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                                #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                                #53

                                @Jeroen89 Good for educational classes on the environment, notably to kids. It creates awareness.

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                                • gdjp@mastodon.sdf.orgG gdjp@mastodon.sdf.org

                                  @Jeroen89 I emailed this to Parklane Landscapes, "There is an interesting conversation on Mastodon social media about a graphic attributed to your organization.  I have attached a link to the conversation. My question is was your graphic AI generated? It illustrates a concept we should be aware of, but using AI on a regular basis can be questionable for "nature workers" due to the negative environmental costs of implementing the technology. I would appreciate it if you were to clarify this."

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                                  #54

                                  @gdjp Thank you. Since the picture had their label on it, I didn't think of putting it in the reference.

                                  Likewise I didn't think to check if it's AI made. To me, it supports the message. And in this case, it's clear (being cartoonish).
                                  But next time I will check it and add it if I think it's AI generated

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                                  • gdjp@mastodon.sdf.orgG gdjp@mastodon.sdf.org

                                    @misty @kete @sarae How would one confirm if this was AI generated or human drawn?

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                                    #55

                                    @gdjp @misty @kete @sarae Glitches. Is that only me ? Fish in the sky, lumpy damselfly, ...a flying toilet broom ?

                                    Idk.

                                    Also how the grasse isn't there in 2020 : why ? If anything the removal of trees favored grasslands (because access to light).

                                    And what about the white stuff you can see everywhere, snow remnant ? Dust ? Pollen ? >_>

                                    If it's not AI I'm very curious about the alien thought process at work and story behind all this.

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                                    • roadskater@mastodon.socialR roadskater@mastodon.social

                                      @Voxofgod @Jeroen89 Jeepers, as a kid on long family trips, I recall having to clean the windshield off when we stopped for gas. I haven't driven a car in a couple decades — so scraping bugs off is no longer a thing?

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                                      #56

                                      @roadskater @Jeroen89 my last long trip, I had hardly any hit

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                                      • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                                        Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                                        Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                                        #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                                        #57

                                        @Jeroen89 this is why we need large regions with untouched diversity - rainforests and wetlands, deserts & northern forests - so nature can trive. Where we must not destroy everything.

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                                        • misty@digipres.clubM misty@digipres.club

                                          @CyReVolt @martaczc It's by a random landscaping company that doesn't normally post illustrations, so I'm inclined to think yes, it's AI-generated.

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                                          #58

                                          @misty @CyReVolt @martaczc

                                          There is no doubt that it is AI-generated. If you look closely, there's a depiction of a flying fish (Exocoetidae), which is native to the tropic and subtropic oceans, and not – you know – temperate forests.

                                          Also, the tandem dragonfly (Anax tandemicus) went extinct in the 1740's.

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