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Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be.

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  • phf@dmv.communityP phf@dmv.community

    @Jeroen89 If you want a jungle, you need to let it be a jungle. There's no "carefully extracting some resources" or any such thing, it will destroy the jungle. (I use jungle in a generic way to mean "nature, undisturbed" if I may.) And that's why with capitalism, you cannot have jungles. All jungles will be "extracted for profit" because growing the jungle is an externalized (to the past) cost, not having the jungle is an externalized (to the future) cost, but profit is being made NOW. Want change? Gotta go chop down some rich people instead of trees, no way around it. 🤷 (Figuratively, of course. But chop you must.)

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    @phf @Jeroen89 Chop their Bank account for not paying their Fair share of Taxes is a start in the right direction.

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    • footils@social.cologneF footils@social.cologne

      @Jeroen89
      It also explains why older people like me often are very sad.

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      @footils @Jeroen89 👍

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      • tkalvas@mastodontti.fiT tkalvas@mastodontti.fi

        @Uair @Jeroen89 It used to be much more fertile, but, especially in the south, very irrigation driven. Thousands of years of irrigation has caused salt buildup in the soil which has made it less fertile. The change has been quite slow in human terms, but very abrupt in natural terms.

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        @tkalvas @Uair @Jeroen89 - Thank you; Also the Dust Bowl in the USA for Farmers that didn't rotate their crops.

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        • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

          Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

          Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

          #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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          @Jeroen89 Is that a flying fish in 2020? 😅

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          • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

            Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

            Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

            #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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            #14

            @Jeroen89

            Good point. But:
            How can one forget things never known?

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            • tkalvas@mastodontti.fiT tkalvas@mastodontti.fi

              @Uair @Jeroen89 It used to be much more fertile, but, especially in the south, very irrigation driven. Thousands of years of irrigation has caused salt buildup in the soil which has made it less fertile. The change has been quite slow in human terms, but very abrupt in natural terms.

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              @tkalvas

              Thank you.

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              • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                #16

                @Jeroen89

                When you can still imagine something that’s lost that’s something you might be able to get back.

                When folks can no longer imagine something that loss is much more profound.

                For a few days after 9/11 there was so much less particulate in the atmosphere younger folks could see things in the distance they had never seen before and there were still old folks who could remember and describe it.

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                • footils@social.cologneF footils@social.cologne

                  @Jeroen89
                  It also explains why older people like me often are very sad.

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                  #17

                  @footils @Jeroen89 yep. I've been thinking about it quite hard over the past couple of decades, and it's frankly devastating.

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                  • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                    Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                    Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                    #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                    #18

                    @Jeroen89 it's heart breaking

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                    • atlovato@mastodon.socialA atlovato@mastodon.social

                      @phf @Jeroen89 Chop their Bank account for not paying their Fair share of Taxes is a start in the right direction.

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                      @atlovato Only problem being that taking their money will not save the jungle.

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                      • phf@dmv.communityP phf@dmv.community

                        @atlovato Only problem being that taking their money will not save the jungle.

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                        @phf

                        No but it can be Diverted to the wants and needs of "We The People", the folks who still may know what nature looks like and acts like. It ain't data centers.

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                        • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                          @Uair I don't know. Although it might not look fertile, it's not uninhabitable.
                          And the world has had multiple natural climate changes in the last 4000 years.
                          To me that might be more of a natural change and less of a man made change.

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                          @Jeroen89 @Uair

                          At the rate we are using fertilizers & other chemicals on our lands they will be good for nothing. As the water rises in places like Florida a great % of those chemicals will wash into the Gulf. Those changes you speak of happened over thousands of years, not hundreds. In addition we have the same amount of CO2 as we had in the Pliocene 420ppm or so. At the time where I live was a Jungle, I'm in Alaska. So you don't have a clue not even a tiny one. I can see the glaciers melt.

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                          • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                            Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                            Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                            #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                            @Jeroen89

                            This is 100% true.

                            and sad 😔

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                            • footils@social.cologneF footils@social.cologne

                              @Jeroen89
                              It also explains why older people like me often are very sad.

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                              @footils @Jeroen89

                              I remember there used to be way more insects at night, even just 20 years ago, let alone 40.

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                              • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                                Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                                Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                                #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                                @Jeroen89

                                I didn't know this had a name but it resonates with me.... I remember how amazing the Milky Way used to look at night and how even in 'dark sky zones' it just isn't as vibrant

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                                • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

                                  @Jeroen89 ok, but it's pretty ironic that you're illustrating this with AI style graphics

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                                  @sarae What are some of the AI styles?

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                                  • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                                    Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                                    Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                                    #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                                    @Jeroen89 Maybe there should be an indigenous person in the 1800 frame.

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                                    • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                                      Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                                      Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                                      #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                                      #27

                                      @Jeroen89 is it ai generated picture? It contains a strange mixture of european and north american species, which may be typical nowadays, but not in 1800.

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                                      • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                                        Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                                        Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                                        #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                                        @Jeroen89 😓

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                                        • jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.beJ jeroen89@mastodon-belgium.be

                                          Shifting baseline syndrome ( #SBS ) is what happens when we forget how vibrant the natural world used to be. Each generation grows up with a more depleted environment and calls it “normal,” simply because it’s all they’ve ever known.

                                          Researchers warn that this shift lowers our expectations, increases our tolerance for decline, and reduces our urgency to protect what’s left.

                                          #climatechange #climate #timeisup #theworstisyettocome

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                                          #29

                                          @Jeroen89
                                          Before 40 years scientists warn us for a "silent" spring, because there will be less birds and insects. Since ca. 10 years it goes more and more silent in our gardens.... Sad.

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