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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    The #Pope has published his first encyclical

    "Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

    Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?

    #Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man

    Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?

    Can an AI serve as a representative of God?

    Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit

    https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas

    paulk@writing.exchangeP andii@mas.toA vnikolov@ieji.deV ldmay65@universeodon.comL dianshuo@mstdn.ioD 7 Replies Last reply
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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      The #Pope has published his first encyclical

      "Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

      Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?

      #Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man

      Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?

      Can an AI serve as a representative of God?

      Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit

      https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas

      paulk@writing.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @benroyce It's a sign that the vatican is catching up. And yes, it's fucking weird that this is needed.

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      • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

        @benroyce It's a sign that the vatican is catching up. And yes, it's fucking weird that this is needed.

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        #3

        @paulk

        yeah but catching up to what

        just the idea of religion and AI in the same thought process gives me the heebie jeebies

        i just don't think we're ready for this commingling

        the USA didn't even survive social media

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @paulk

          yeah but catching up to what

          just the idea of religion and AI in the same thought process gives me the heebie jeebies

          i just don't think we're ready for this commingling

          the USA didn't even survive social media

          paulk@writing.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @benroyce At least Leo catches up to the fact that ai isn't the next messiah.
          We shouldn't be ready for any of this ai crap

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          • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

            @benroyce At least Leo catches up to the fact that ai isn't the next messiah.
            We shouldn't be ready for any of this ai crap

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            #5

            @paulk

            oh, i have no problem with leo

            i just get a rather unsettling feeling about the larger subject matter

            and the shitstorm is coming. we don't get a choice

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              The #Pope has published his first encyclical

              "Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

              Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?

              #Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man

              Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?

              Can an AI serve as a representative of God?

              Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit

              https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas

              andii@mas.toA This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @benroyce
              ...or maybe the secular assumptions of many have just been shown not to fit with actual religious concerns?

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              • andii@mas.toA andii@mas.to

                @benroyce
                ...or maybe the secular assumptions of many have just been shown not to fit with actual religious concerns?

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                #7

                @Andii

                what are you saying?

                all i'm saying is i'm uncomfortable with religion and ai in the same thought process. makes my skin itch

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @Andii

                  what are you saying?

                  all i'm saying is i'm uncomfortable with religion and ai in the same thought process. makes my skin itch

                  andii@mas.toA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @benroyce I get that. I think a lot of people have found themselves in a place where their 'image' of religion jibes badly with 'modernity'. I think that has a lot to do with post Enlightenment history rather than the actual concerns of those of us who live 'religious' lives to varying extents. It's a learning moment to discover how deeply these kinds of cultural ideas can roost in us.

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                  • andii@mas.toA andii@mas.to

                    @benroyce I get that. I think a lot of people have found themselves in a place where their 'image' of religion jibes badly with 'modernity'. I think that has a lot to do with post Enlightenment history rather than the actual concerns of those of us who live 'religious' lives to varying extents. It's a learning moment to discover how deeply these kinds of cultural ideas can roost in us.

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                    #9

                    @Andii

                    the thing is, *what* can roost in us

                    give it a few generations, and some know-it-all endlessly cheerful AI can become the center of a religion. religion as it is is the same sort of know-it-all endless cheerfulness. it's a perfect fit

                    i don't have a problem with the modernity vs religion issue at all. there is a place in our lives for religion. but what can sneak in there to fill that role in spite of anyone's intentions

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      The #Pope has published his first encyclical

                      "Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

                      Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?

                      #Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man

                      Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?

                      Can an AI serve as a representative of God?

                      Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit

                      https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas

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                      #10

                      @benroyce

                      Right...
                      I don't believe it is just you and I don't believe "you are getting old".

                      In my opinion, an old phrase does apply here, misused though it often is:
                      when in doubt, think...

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        The #Pope has published his first encyclical

                        "Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

                        Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?

                        #Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man

                        Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?

                        Can an AI serve as a representative of God?

                        Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit

                        https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas

                        ldmay65@universeodon.comL This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @benroyce
                        Have you read it, yet?

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          The #Pope has published his first encyclical

                          "Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

                          Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?

                          #Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man

                          Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?

                          Can an AI serve as a representative of God?

                          Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit

                          https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas

                          dianshuo@mstdn.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @benroyce hardly. It’s exactly what he should be doing. The “weird” bit is how much sense it makes on a topic you might not have expected him to know. It’s quite readable.

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                          • dianshuo@mstdn.ioD dianshuo@mstdn.io

                            @benroyce hardly. It’s exactly what he should be doing. The “weird” bit is how much sense it makes on a topic you might not have expected him to know. It’s quite readable.

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                            #13

                            @dianshuo

                            i'm sorry

                            i don't have a problem with leo

                            i have a problem with religion and AI intersecting

                            i wasn't clear

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                            • ldmay65@universeodon.comL ldmay65@universeodon.com

                              @benroyce
                              Have you read it, yet?

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                              #14

                              @ldmay65

                              it was a bad post

                              i don't have a problem with leo or what he wrote. i just have a problem with religion mixing with AI in general. but i wasn't clear on that

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @ldmay65

                                it was a bad post

                                i don't have a problem with leo or what he wrote. i just have a problem with religion mixing with AI in general. but i wasn't clear on that

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                                #15

                                @benroyce
                                It's okay. I actually printed it at work. I started to read it and got distracted. I want to know from my own perspective what it says.
                                When some people talk about AI, they do sound like they are trying to make a supreme god out of a bunch of 0s and 1s 🤔.
                                He chose the name Leo because of Leo XIII "Pope of the Workers" and his stance for human dignity (rights of workers to fair wages in the 1800s was one thing he pushed for).
                                That Anthropic is involved? 😕 Where do we go to understand this technology? Who do we trust?
                                When I finish reading the encyclical I may feel it doesn't take a strong stance.
                                Maybe it's purpose is to nudge the sleepy masses to be thoughtful about the technology and how it is now and could be used in the future? Remind people that critical thinking can only come from the human mind?
                                And, that's why I printed it...I don't think it will give me answers. I do think it might offer better formulated questions than I've had time to devise. Will see.
                                Thank you for letting me ramble.

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                                • ldmay65@universeodon.comL ldmay65@universeodon.com

                                  @benroyce
                                  It's okay. I actually printed it at work. I started to read it and got distracted. I want to know from my own perspective what it says.
                                  When some people talk about AI, they do sound like they are trying to make a supreme god out of a bunch of 0s and 1s 🤔.
                                  He chose the name Leo because of Leo XIII "Pope of the Workers" and his stance for human dignity (rights of workers to fair wages in the 1800s was one thing he pushed for).
                                  That Anthropic is involved? 😕 Where do we go to understand this technology? Who do we trust?
                                  When I finish reading the encyclical I may feel it doesn't take a strong stance.
                                  Maybe it's purpose is to nudge the sleepy masses to be thoughtful about the technology and how it is now and could be used in the future? Remind people that critical thinking can only come from the human mind?
                                  And, that's why I printed it...I don't think it will give me answers. I do think it might offer better formulated questions than I've had time to devise. Will see.
                                  Thank you for letting me ramble.

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                                  #16

                                  @ldmay65

                                  social media came

                                  and destroyed the usa

                                  ai + religion may end all of us

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @Andii

                                    the thing is, *what* can roost in us

                                    give it a few generations, and some know-it-all endlessly cheerful AI can become the center of a religion. religion as it is is the same sort of know-it-all endless cheerfulness. it's a perfect fit

                                    i don't have a problem with the modernity vs religion issue at all. there is a place in our lives for religion. but what can sneak in there to fill that role in spite of anyone's intentions

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                                    #17

                                    @benroyce no argument against that from me.

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @dianshuo

                                      i'm sorry

                                      i don't have a problem with leo

                                      i have a problem with religion and AI intersecting

                                      i wasn't clear

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                                      #18

                                      @benroyce @dianshuo I’m impressed that they are not waiting 300 years to raise concerns that AI may be a threat.

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        The #Pope has published his first encyclical

                                        "Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

                                        Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?

                                        #Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man

                                        Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?

                                        Can an AI serve as a representative of God?

                                        Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit

                                        https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas

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                                        #19

                                        @benroyce I haven’t read the encyclical but I am impressed by the comments in the linked article from the Anthropic bloke about global inequality and moral oversight.

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @paulk

                                          yeah but catching up to what

                                          just the idea of religion and AI in the same thought process gives me the heebie jeebies

                                          i just don't think we're ready for this commingling

                                          the USA didn't even survive social media

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                                          #20

                                          @benroyce @paulk It’s not just you. The Wikipedia article about the encyclical says “David Streitfeld, writing for The New York Times, analyzed the text as representing the contrast between traditional religions and a growing tendency in Silicon Valley to speak of artificial intelligence in quasi-religious tones.”

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