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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @jupiter

    Enter password

    RødgrødMedFløde

    Enter password

    RødgrødMedFløde

    Enter password

    That is my password!

    There's something off about how you type the password. Access denied

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    #35

    @benroyce @jupiter

    In all seriousness this is a genuine problem (due to UTF-8 normalization-- composition vs decomposition) if you switch between MacOS (always use ASCII latin letter codepoint + diacritic codepoint, no matter what; i.e. "o" + "/", "r" + carron, etc.) and anything else (always prefere one single codepoint if the accented letter exists, e.g., in the Latin-1 block: "ø", Latin Extended-A block: "ř")
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    • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

      @benroyce @jupiter

      In all seriousness this is a genuine problem (due to UTF-8 normalization-- composition vs decomposition) if you switch between MacOS (always use ASCII latin letter codepoint + diacritic codepoint, no matter what; i.e. "o" + "/", "r" + carron, etc.) and anything else (always prefere one single codepoint if the accented letter exists, e.g., in the Latin-1 block: "ø", Latin Extended-A block: "ř")
      ...

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      #36

      @benroyce @jupiter ...

      See an old post of mine on Unix stackexchange:
      https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/494883/utf8-character-makes-file-inaccessible/494909#494909

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      • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

        @benroyce @jupiter ...

        See an old post of mine on Unix stackexchange:
        https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/494883/utf8-character-makes-file-inaccessible/494909#494909

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        #37

        @dryak @jupiter

        well way to ruin my stupid joke!

        just kidding

        it is a serious issue

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        • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

          Czech your passwords.

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          #38

          @jupiter

          Ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja XD

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          • falken@social.falkensweb.comF falken@social.falkensweb.com

            @kajer @MegaMichelle @jupiter @CrackMeIfYouCan though careful not to lock yourself out because a keyboard bug stops you entering the characters... https://www.theregister.com/on-prem/2026/04/12/apple-update-turns-czech-mate-for-locked-out-iphone-user/5219671

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            #39

            I totally agree with that. There was a time where I used machines with both Danish and American keyboard layouts on a daily basis. So I learned to pick passwords consisting of only characters that were located in the same place on both keyboards.

            And that was a time when only ASCII was supported, so I had to keep that in mind as well.

            The best way to make passwords stronger is to make them longer rather than using more different characters.

            I am so annoyed by sites that get this wrong. First they reject my 32 character password because it’s too long. So I try truncating my password to 12, 16, or 20 characters (whatever they permit), and then they reject it because I only have alphanumeric characters. Seriously, the password I started with was stronger than such a short password could ever be. So the weakness of the password I am trying is entirely caused by their low limit on password length and not by the set of characters I had chosen to use.

            A user should be allowed to use a password consisting of only two distinct characters as long as it’s long enough and doesn’t have any patterns.

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            • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

              Czech your passwords.

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              #40

              @jupiter Clearly you rrrrrrr inverting the dunce cap...

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              • cy@chaos.socialC cy@chaos.social

                @jupiter Germans use Passwörd!

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                #41

                Surprisingly that password is not found in https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords, are you sure there are actually Germans using that?

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                • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  Czech your passwords.

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                  #42

                  @jupiter the impossible-to-pronounce-for-a-non-Czech password

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                  • kasperd@westergaard.socialK kasperd@westergaard.social

                    Surprisingly that password is not found in https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords, are you sure there are actually Germans using that?

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                    #43

                    @kasperd @jupiter i like my passwords like my potatoes! heavily salted

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                    • jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ jupiter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      Czech your passwords.

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                      #44

                      @jupiter Going for extra Polish is also a valid strategy.

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                      • evdelen@mstdn.caE evdelen@mstdn.ca

                        @benroyce @jupiter

                        https://kuber.studio/cookie/

                        Follow this one past the typing test... Not that far off from the truth.

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                        #45

                        @evdelen @benroyce @jupiter
                        I’ve done this test before, using the same device, and this programme did NOT recognise me – or rather, my device.
                        All the details about my device were wrong again: two matches – namely ‘Windows’ (which almost every device has; I would at least have expected the version to be specified) and ‘x86’ (which is also standard, but the RAM was listed incorrectly too).
                        So it seems my settings are correct.

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                        • greynerd65@mastodon.socialG greynerd65@mastodon.social

                          @evdelen @benroyce @jupiter
                          I’ve done this test before, using the same device, and this programme did NOT recognise me – or rather, my device.
                          All the details about my device were wrong again: two matches – namely ‘Windows’ (which almost every device has; I would at least have expected the version to be specified) and ‘x86’ (which is also standard, but the RAM was listed incorrectly too).
                          So it seems my settings are correct.

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                          #46

                          @greynerd65 @evdelen @jupiter

                          "directorate of analysis, make a note on this file: greynerd65 fell for the social hack of leaking opsec details by luring them into a false sense of informality"

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @jupiter

                            Enter password

                            RødgrødMedFløde

                            Enter password

                            RødgrødMedFløde

                            Enter password

                            That is my password!

                            There's something off about how you type the password. Access denied

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                            #47

                            Interestingly the lower case version of that password is found in exactly one leak known to https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

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                            • w00p@infosec.exchangeW w00p@infosec.exchange

                              @jupiter the impossible-to-pronounce-for-a-non-Czech password

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                              #48

                              The pronunciation point got me wondering whether an American would be able to pronounce this password: zzzccccczczczcczczcc

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                              • dryak@mstdn.scienceD dryak@mstdn.science

                                @benroyce @jupiter

                                In all seriousness this is a genuine problem (due to UTF-8 normalization-- composition vs decomposition) if you switch between MacOS (always use ASCII latin letter codepoint + diacritic codepoint, no matter what; i.e. "o" + "/", "r" + carron, etc.) and anything else (always prefere one single codepoint if the accented letter exists, e.g., in the Latin-1 block: "ø", Latin Extended-A block: "ř")
                                ...

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                                #49

                                @dryak @benroyce @jupiter few years ago my ETL to analytics cube start suddenly failing because of company enabled registration via mobile app and one user decided to have username as “Princess👑👑👑” yeah I know I wasn’t sanitizing input enough, but tbh no one expected this when the ETL was designed.

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                                • cy@chaos.socialC cy@chaos.social

                                  @kasperd @jupiter i like my passwords like my potatoes! heavily salted

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                                  #50

                                  For sure, leaving out the salt is highly irresponsible.

                                  But I don’t trust sites to be salting, so I pick passwords that are strong enough that even if a site stored it using a single iteration of MD5 with no salting it would not be broken.

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                                  • kasperd@westergaard.socialK kasperd@westergaard.social

                                    Interestingly the lower case version of that password is found in exactly one leak known to https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

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                                    #51

                                    @kasperd @jupiter

                                    that's why my password is

                                    a æ u å æ ø i æ å

                                    🤭

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @greynerd65 @evdelen @jupiter

                                      "directorate of analysis, make a note on this file: greynerd65 fell for the social hack of leaking opsec details by luring them into a false sense of informality"

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                                      #52

                                      @benroyce @evdelen @jupiter
                                      I’m really very curious to find out what details regarding operational security have been disclosed 😂

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                                      • evdelen@mstdn.caE evdelen@mstdn.ca

                                        @benroyce @jupiter

                                        https://kuber.studio/cookie/

                                        Follow this one past the typing test... Not that far off from the truth.

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                                        #53

                                        @evdelen @benroyce @jupiter The slow typing is unacceptable, and it stops if I switch tabs. Nope.

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                                        • M mike805@noc.social

                                          @evdelen @benroyce @jupiter The slow typing is unacceptable, and it stops if I switch tabs. Nope.

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                                          #54

                                          @mike805 @benroyce @jupiter

                                          Click "skip intro" on the top right.

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