this is just the start of a general attack on EU organisations...
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@the_wub @6al @glynmoody Every day for the past 2 weeks has been like "let's move the dial on risk management even further", and the sooner I get my Article 17 in with the last Big Tech companies I'm directly exposed to, the better...
@bms @6al @glynmoody So what if the US decides to block you and fellow citizens' access to Mastercard or Visa payment systems.
Or your government's access to US clouds?
How would say Canada defend itself against a US attack if the US turned off access to ALL cloud services that the Canadian authorities depend on for communication?
The US would not even need to go as far as hobbling Canada's F35s to stop Canada responding.
We don't even have copper wire telephony here in Norway any more.
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A couple of years ago (decade) the UN made for a strong push to put the root DNS infrastructure under the control of the ITU.
There was a huge amount of push back from the libertarian techbro bubble (and the USA of course).
@datenwolf @glynmoody Well the way it is going, as non-USAians we soon won't have to worry about whether WhatsApp is more or less secure than Signal as our smartphones could just stop working on the whim of a presidential order.
Your Tesla suddenly stops working due to a "software update".
Want to order a doctor's appointment with that smartphone app that needs a Google or Apple account for verification?
We're stuffed!
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@bms @6al @glynmoody So what if the US decides to block you and fellow citizens' access to Mastercard or Visa payment systems.
Or your government's access to US clouds?
How would say Canada defend itself against a US attack if the US turned off access to ALL cloud services that the Canadian authorities depend on for communication?
The US would not even need to go as far as hobbling Canada's F35s to stop Canada responding.
We don't even have copper wire telephony here in Norway any more.
@the_wub @6al @glynmoody Well that has to be part of the calculation, hasn't it?
If you checked my profile you'll see Canada's own government comms laboratory were making use of code I wrote in the late 2000s at one point; I only found out about that early this year. Canada's got large rural and arctic areas of course, hence the obvious interest in ad-hoc networking in such places, as well as the usual tactical military apps; it was a US defense contractor who funded me to do that work in the first place.
So yes, the sovereignty issue has been playing out in the Internet engineering community for years; ongoing issues with cross-border hairpinning at key fibre interconnection points like Toronto and Vancouver. There's good published work on it, but I've barely skimmed it for years, it was a constant bone of contention for some of the EFnet #unix denizens.
I'm currently quite dependent on the payment systems you mention. PayPal isn't a viable alternative; that's another Article 17 story in of itself. Yes, I'm very concerned about this. In the UK we have BACS/Faster Payments for direct transfers, but the retail banks signed up to BACS and the others to CHAPS are all generally exposed to Microsoft in some way in their supply chains. Revolut? Google-pilled garbage, and they won't let you go even if you abandon them. But payment cards? Very tricky, Switch/Solo are no more. Even the ATM cash withdrawal systems have converged on Visa/Mastercard payment network snow. Some used to be independent, some still are. Canada's got some independence there with Interac but not much.
The USA currently seems to be all about "Extraterritorial jurisdiction for me, but not for thee", although that has in fact been going on for years, and Rubio pursuing the Italians just makes it that much more public. Or what happened with the DVD DeCSS author at DEF-CON in the 00s. It would represent some pushback on OFCOM's dubious efforts to pursue Online Safety Act violations overseas, but of course that was just silly to begin with.
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@glynmoody As IF we needed any more proof as to the urgent need for digital sovereignty.
What next?
Tutamail, Proton, Posteo, Mailbox.org...
Any of those services using non-EU domains that can be yanked at will by the US?
@the_wub @glynmoody Yesterday I tried to make an online hotel reservation, and my credit card was declared invalid. I called the hotel and asked if they could help me. At first they were mystified, and then the clerk said it was my email that was being rejected. I use proton.me, so I asked if it would accept protonmail.com. That version was approved. The next time I have trouble with a transaction I’m going to test this out, but it’s setting off alarm bells for me.
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@annehargreaves yes, that is my understanding; outrageous interference in EU life...
@glynmoody We badly need a non-us based card payment system.
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@the_wub @6al @glynmoody Well that has to be part of the calculation, hasn't it?
If you checked my profile you'll see Canada's own government comms laboratory were making use of code I wrote in the late 2000s at one point; I only found out about that early this year. Canada's got large rural and arctic areas of course, hence the obvious interest in ad-hoc networking in such places, as well as the usual tactical military apps; it was a US defense contractor who funded me to do that work in the first place.
So yes, the sovereignty issue has been playing out in the Internet engineering community for years; ongoing issues with cross-border hairpinning at key fibre interconnection points like Toronto and Vancouver. There's good published work on it, but I've barely skimmed it for years, it was a constant bone of contention for some of the EFnet #unix denizens.
I'm currently quite dependent on the payment systems you mention. PayPal isn't a viable alternative; that's another Article 17 story in of itself. Yes, I'm very concerned about this. In the UK we have BACS/Faster Payments for direct transfers, but the retail banks signed up to BACS and the others to CHAPS are all generally exposed to Microsoft in some way in their supply chains. Revolut? Google-pilled garbage, and they won't let you go even if you abandon them. But payment cards? Very tricky, Switch/Solo are no more. Even the ATM cash withdrawal systems have converged on Visa/Mastercard payment network snow. Some used to be independent, some still are. Canada's got some independence there with Interac but not much.
The USA currently seems to be all about "Extraterritorial jurisdiction for me, but not for thee", although that has in fact been going on for years, and Rubio pursuing the Italians just makes it that much more public. Or what happened with the DVD DeCSS author at DEF-CON in the 00s. It would represent some pushback on OFCOM's dubious efforts to pursue Online Safety Act violations overseas, but of course that was just silly to begin with.
@bms @6al @glynmoody I think that what happened to @FranceskAlbs and now #Autistici are warnings shots across the bows of all countries that could, in any way be seen to be anti-Trump.
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@the_wub @glynmoody Yesterday I tried to make an online hotel reservation, and my credit card was declared invalid. I called the hotel and asked if they could help me. At first they were mystified, and then the clerk said it was my email that was being rejected. I use proton.me, so I asked if it would accept protonmail.com. That version was approved. The next time I have trouble with a transaction I’m going to test this out, but it’s setting off alarm bells for me.
@grammasaurus @glynmoody I once had a problem recovering a Skype account.
My parent had originally registered the Skype account with the @googlemail.com version of their email address.
This as gmail.com was not universally used at the time the account was created.
However, MS account recovery systems refused to accept that their email address with @gmail.com was the same email address as the version @googlemail.com.
It took an hour to work that out.
You might have hit a similar problem.
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@grammasaurus @glynmoody I once had a problem recovering a Skype account.
My parent had originally registered the Skype account with the @googlemail.com version of their email address.
This as gmail.com was not universally used at the time the account was created.
However, MS account recovery systems refused to accept that their email address with @gmail.com was the same email address as the version @googlemail.com.
It took an hour to work that out.
You might have hit a similar problem.
@the_wub @glynmoody I think you’re right about that. They’re two versions of the same address, one a few keystrokes shorter than the other.
But I’ve also had my proton address refused by our city government’s servers for “being hosted in another country” (I’m in the US)
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RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/117171566603371463
this is just the start of a general attack on EU organisations...
@glynmoody I find it interesting that no one thinks about banning pen, paper and fire to destroy said paper. Or using PGP yourself and sending the encrypted message through whatever service you want to use.
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RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/117171566603371463
this is just the start of a general attack on EU organisations...
@glynmoody host your own email addresses: mailcow!
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RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/117171566603371463
this is just the start of a general attack on EU organisations...
@glynmoody in their hallucinatory state they're gradually cutting themselves out of the world while thinking they are cutting everyone else out. See how well it worked for Russia! Smart Americans will probably jump ship before it's too late, the rest I'm afraid it's going to be in large percentage supporters of this self destructive madness
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@glynmoody in their hallucinatory state they're gradually cutting themselves out of the world while thinking they are cutting everyone else out. See how well it worked for Russia! Smart Americans will probably jump ship before it's too late, the rest I'm afraid it's going to be in large percentage supporters of this self destructive madness
@pepintheshort yes, not going to be pretty
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@glynmoody I find it interesting that no one thinks about banning pen, paper and fire to destroy said paper. Or using PGP yourself and sending the encrypted message through whatever service you want to use.
@dr_jt it's just kneejerk, imaginary stuff
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@glynmoody We badly need a non-us based card payment system.
@annehargreaves and much else besides
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Extreme Right with money from #BigTech is blocking press freedom and privacy of those that do not agree with them...
Grave Erosion of Democracy ...
@Pettet8 it is, and will get worse
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It casts a pretty big shadow on the 'Land of the free' too.
@ReggieHere it does
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@glynmoody As IF we needed any more proof as to the urgent need for digital sovereignty.
What next?
Tutamail, Proton, Posteo, Mailbox.org...
Any of those services using non-EU domains that can be yanked at will by the US?
@the_wub we should have been doing this a decade ago, as some of us warned...
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@the_wub we should have been doing this a decade ago, as some of us warned...
@glynmoody Maybe the #preppers have been right all along. We just didn't understand what the real threats to our lives actually were.
If the shit were to hit the fan tomorrow then we have enough firewood to burn in our ranges to get us through the winter.
When the harvest is finished this weekend there should be sufficient potatoes and onions in the cellar to feed us for at least six months.
In the worst case scenario we can get water from the river at the end of our plot or melt snow.
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RE: https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/117171566603371463
this is just the start of a general attack on EU organisations...
@glynmoody
It may be the sort of gateway that is reciprocable.The Royal Mail under Elizabeth 1 was, I think, not just read in the Post Office, but understood to be so, and to reduce the suspicion about communications, if they went through it.
The UKCrypto discussion list sed to be fascinating, when Crypto meant cryptology and -ography and not some scam involving large numbers of fungible promises between unreliable people.
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@datenwolf @glynmoody Well the way it is going, as non-USAians we soon won't have to worry about whether WhatsApp is more or less secure than Signal as our smartphones could just stop working on the whim of a presidential order.
Your Tesla suddenly stops working due to a "software update".
Want to order a doctor's appointment with that smartphone app that needs a Google or Apple account for verification?
We're stuffed!
@the_wub @datenwolf @glynmoody people need to actively refuse that crap!
- Do #CryptoParties
- Get #Monero
- Install #Tails
- Use #Tor for everything
