I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
@luckytran I've seen those headstones at a cemetery here.
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I'm all for vaccinating kids when the evidence for efficacity is so clear - but I believe the biggest contributions to the decline in infant mortality have come from public health works - especially clean piped water and public sewers - or state-regulated septic tanks - district nurses, etc, etc... state infrastructure taking care of its people.
You have a point. But it doesn't lessen or invalidate the efficacy of vaccines in preventing deaths of children who survived infancy
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
In 1880, roughly one ninth of all persons born in the USA died before age 1, one fifth before age 5.
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This graph is extremely sobering to look at:
Why the big difference between that graph (from the UN) and this page (from US Census data) for deaths below age 5 in 1880?
The death rates in the graph appear around 50% higher than the census population mortality table for 1880.
My recollection is that even the American Experience table from the 1840's (which probably had the mortality rates padded to slant the odds in favor of the insurance companies) showed only about 25% mortality before age 5 (although the juvenile extension part of the table may have been added later).
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Why the big difference between that graph (from the UN) and this page (from US Census data) for deaths below age 5 in 1880?
The death rates in the graph appear around 50% higher than the census population mortality table for 1880.
My recollection is that even the American Experience table from the 1840's (which probably had the mortality rates padded to slant the odds in favor of the insurance companies) showed only about 25% mortality before age 5 (although the juvenile extension part of the table may have been added later).
Not sure, I tried to dig into the data for the UN one but the site was not mobile friendly and then I forgot to look it up again by the time I was at a computer
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I'm all for vaccinating kids when the evidence for efficacity is so clear - but I believe the biggest contributions to the decline in infant mortality have come from public health works - especially clean piped water and public sewers - or state-regulated septic tanks - district nurses, etc, etc... state infrastructure taking care of its people.
All the things you mentioned contributed, but
"Vaccination is among the most effective public health interventions in human history."
https://www.spandidos-publications.com/10.3892/wasj.2026.478
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@KanaMauna @luckytran 49%!? I knew it was bad in the past but I didn't know it was THAT bad
@Selvari21106 @KanaMauna @luckytran that's why you had like ten of them... And some cultures didn't give people names until they were 100 days old.
No, seriously - we seriously underestimate how much grief and pain that meant. Not to mention women dying in labor.
I hate people who don't vaccinate their kids.
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I'm all for vaccinating kids when the evidence for efficacity is so clear - but I believe the biggest contributions to the decline in infant mortality have come from public health works - especially clean piped water and public sewers - or state-regulated septic tanks - district nurses, etc, etc... state infrastructure taking care of its people.
@GeofCox @luckytran Those are all great of course - but if we had all of those and not vaccines, then MORE children than before would die of things like diptheria, because they'd be around to catch them, rather than dying even younger of cholera or malnutrition.
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@Selvari21106 @KanaMauna @luckytran that's why you had like ten of them... And some cultures didn't give people names until they were 100 days old.
No, seriously - we seriously underestimate how much grief and pain that meant. Not to mention women dying in labor.
I hate people who don't vaccinate their kids.
@lizzard @Selvari21106 @luckytran
My grandmother was born on an Alabaman farm in the early 1920's. Out of 11 kids, 8 of them made it.
Until very recently, almost every adult had a few siblings they had lost. It is mind-boggling that anyone would want to return to that.
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
Kids in this country dying again from measles right now. And lack of Vitamin K shots at birth. it's insane what these crazy people are doing.
VAX YOUR KIDS. GIVE THEM THE SHOTS THEY NEED. STOP KILLING KIDS NEEDLESSLY.
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Cause and effect of the social media by people that are uneducated and react based on emotions instead of facts...
They're not uneducated. They're people who think they know better than the experts. They're people who think some "God" thousands of years ago decided humans were supposed to live "naturally". They're simply fucking morons.
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
then go check out the dumpster behind an abortion clinic..
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Not sure, I tried to dig into the data for the UN one but the site was not mobile friendly and then I forgot to look it up again by the time I was at a computer
The census data I found shows the number of deaths in the US by age right in the table. Where those numbers came from might be the problem. If the idea was that every death certificate would somehow get counted, then we have two questions -- how did they count them, and what about the people who died with no death certificate (as of the date of the count. Some bodies don't turn up for quite a while). If they tried some other method, it might involve something like what has been used in recent years to estimate the census undercount.
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I'm all for vaccinating kids when the evidence for efficacity is so clear - but I believe the biggest contributions to the decline in infant mortality have come from public health works - especially clean piped water and public sewers - or state-regulated septic tanks - district nurses, etc, etc... state infrastructure taking care of its people.
@GeofCox @luckytran believing that is to ignore the evidence for the massive effect vaccines have had.
It's important to have sanitation. But it doesn't stop highly infectious viruses like measles from spreading. It just doesn't.
What does is highly trained immune systems from vaccines, keeping sick people away from others and a robust testing and advice system. -
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