Just had to deal with a bunch of wind turbine conspiracy theories at #StateOfEU, this polite political event I’m at in Brussels.

[elba013@muenchen.social]

@jon And my impression is, we were in a better position around 2019/20. Instead of progress too many steps. And this continues with Merz. Söder, Frei, Linnemann, Reiche, ....

[f14h@chaos.social]

@jackofalltrades @jon No. Democracy is not about believing in different facts or truths. This is one of the common misconceptions of today.

There are facts and there is truth, and people can believe in different things in what is best (for them). That is democracy.

[rjj@infosec.exchange]

@jon Jon, you got the smart ones. I met someone in Paris last year who claimed to be a reporter. She insisted that wind turbines are a complete scam, and only there for show. She said they consume electricity to turn the blades and reinforce the deception.

[elba013@muenchen.social]

@mike @jon A very philosophical point. Yes, the universe may end tomorrow. But I think Jon is arguing on events where we can do something.

[jackofalltrades@mas.to]

@f14h @jon

We seem to agree, why start the toot with "No"?

People can believe in different things in what is best for them - that's exactly what I'm saying. Most people believe that combating climate change is NOT the most important thing to them.

Most believe that climate change is happening and is caused by humans (the facts / truth), but they still have different priorities (what is best for them): the cost of living, health, housing, immigration, etc.

[ednl@mastodon.social]

@DukeDuke @jon Best not to give him any more publicity, at the very least.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/neil-degrasse-tyson-sexual-allegations-four-women

https://slate.com/technology/2018/12/neil-degrasse-tyson-sexual-harassment-allegations-response.html

[jackofalltrades@mas.to]

@jon Indeed. However, it is the will of the many, not ethics of the few, that ultimately decide what route humanity will take.

[jon@gruene.social]

@ednl @DukeDuke oh sod ‍️ Un-boosted.

[elba013@muenchen.social]

@jon Yes, climate change is a singularity. But I think, war is still the greater devil. It kills people much faster, causes great misery closer to the present day. It comes along with other devils like genocide and mass murder. And it will stop the work against climate change.

[ednl@mastodon.social]

@jon @DukeDuke Yeah I only learned the other day too.

[numodular@c.im]

@jon Worse: graduating fossil fuels as baseload power, is actually going in the opposite direction.

[jon@gruene.social]

And I just told this story in the full plenary here. Predictably it went down like a bucket of sick. #StateOfEU

[jon@gruene.social]

And the moderator used the typical fossil fuels talking point that dependence on fossil fuels is just as problematic as dependence on Chinese solar panels. These are NOT equivalent! Once you’ve got your solar panel it is yours. #StateOfEU

[rainerzufall_le@mastodon.social]

@jon Curiously, no one asks where the uranium for your nuclear power plant is coming from

[moss_the_texie@rheinneckar.social]

@jon
„Social panel“ is nice.

[jon@gruene.social]

@rainerzufall_le not in your back garden. So ok. Or something. (I’m not being serious of course)

[jon@gruene.social]

@Moss_the_TeXie oops. Editing!

[jon@gruene.social]

And the moderator then “there are two ways to see it” about my complaint about conspiracy theories about wind. No there aren’t. Wind turbines aren’t a serious danger to birds, compared to other dangers. #StateOfEU

[rainerzufall_le@mastodon.social]

@jon If Russia is involved, that's also fine
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/osnabrueck_emsland/lingen-bund-haelt-an-atom-kooperation-mit-russland-fest,rosatom-114.html

[giggls@karlsruhe-social.de]

@jon False balance at work.