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“PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

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  • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

    “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

    don’t be a cop.

    If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

    If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

    SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

    c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC This user is from outside of this forum
    c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC This user is from outside of this forum
    c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
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    #25

    @blogdiva “be gay, do pro-social activities regardless of the framing of the existing hierarchies” doesn’t roll off the tongue as well

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    • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

      @blogdiva Seriously. How dare creators expect to be paid for their work?

      blogdiva@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #26

      @farbel so parasite like Jeff Bezos is a creator now?

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      • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

        @farbel so parasite like Jeff Bezos is a creator now?

        farbel@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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        #27

        @blogdiva All the fucking authors who publish there are.

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        • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

          “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

          don’t be a cop.

          If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

          If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

          SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

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          closeted_unionist@mastodon.social
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          #28

          @blogdiva I believe that knowledge should be free and open. At the same time, I also believe that authors and creators should be compensated for their work.

          I pirate not because of moral high ground, but because everything is so gosh darn expensive now.

          Which is why I find it crazy that that billion dollar companies ~~pirate knowledge~~ train their models and sell their services for profit

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          • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

            “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

            don’t be a cop.

            If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

            If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

            SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

            maxtimot@meow.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #29

            @blogdiva that's true, but also if I wanted to demonize sharing, I wouldn't give it a super badass name like "pirating" so that's capitalism's fault to make us look cool.

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            • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

              “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

              don’t be a cop.

              If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

              If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

              SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

              pezmico@mastodon.nzP This user is from outside of this forum
              pezmico@mastodon.nzP This user is from outside of this forum
              pezmico@mastodon.nz
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              #30

              @blogdiva i wholeheartedly agree with you, but also I've always wanted to be a pirate and SHARING is probably my best chance to get anywhere close to that. 🏴‍☠️ 🦜

              jrconlin@mindof.jrconlin.comJ 1 Reply Last reply
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              • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

                don’t be a cop.

                If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

                If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

                SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

                etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloudE This user is from outside of this forum
                etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloudE This user is from outside of this forum
                etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud
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                #31

                @blogdiva@mastodon.social this is funny and cute but I’m ngl it’s probably the weakest argument for pirating I’ve seen lmao.

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                • etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloudE etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                  @blogdiva@mastodon.social this is funny and cute but I’m ngl it’s probably the weakest argument for pirating I’ve seen lmao.

                  etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloudE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud
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                  #32

                  @blogdiva@mastodon.social the moment you make a statement like “if buying isn’t ownership…” you are implying that there is a world where piracy could be wrong or immoral. digital assets can be freely duplicated therefore they can’t be stolen, don’t give any concessions

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                  • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                    @blogdiva All the fucking authors who publish there are.

                    blogdiva@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #33

                    @farbel i’d rather pay them directly than give wonky Luthor a cut.

                    am not against making money. am against having to get a pittance so that a fucking fascist piece of shit can have another yatch to traffic children.

                    seriously, we don't need fucking capitalists make money out of our fucking labor, but it is much, much harder nowadays after the fucking bailouts.

                    techbros killed p2p because they are the new bankster middlemen. so either we reinvent p2p or guillotine them.

                    it’s come to that.

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                    • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                      “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

                      don’t be a cop.

                      If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

                      If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

                      SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

                      elgringomexicano@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      elgringomexicano@mastodon.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #34

                      @blogdiva I'm going to leave this related link here for no particular reason, because I find the topic interesting and I think others might, too.

                      https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread/

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                      • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                        “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

                        don’t be a cop.

                        If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

                        If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

                        SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

                        villares@ciberlandia.ptV This user is from outside of this forum
                        villares@ciberlandia.ptV This user is from outside of this forum
                        villares@ciberlandia.pt
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                        #35

                        @blogdiva LONG LiVE THE SHARING PARTY!

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                        • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                          @farbel i’d rather pay them directly than give wonky Luthor a cut.

                          am not against making money. am against having to get a pittance so that a fucking fascist piece of shit can have another yatch to traffic children.

                          seriously, we don't need fucking capitalists make money out of our fucking labor, but it is much, much harder nowadays after the fucking bailouts.

                          techbros killed p2p because they are the new bankster middlemen. so either we reinvent p2p or guillotine them.

                          it’s come to that.

                          farbel@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          farbel@mas.to
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                          #36

                          @blogdiva How many authors have you paid directly recently?

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                          • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                            @farbel i’d rather pay them directly than give wonky Luthor a cut.

                            am not against making money. am against having to get a pittance so that a fucking fascist piece of shit can have another yatch to traffic children.

                            seriously, we don't need fucking capitalists make money out of our fucking labor, but it is much, much harder nowadays after the fucking bailouts.

                            techbros killed p2p because they are the new bankster middlemen. so either we reinvent p2p or guillotine them.

                            it’s come to that.

                            farbel@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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                            farbel@mas.to
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                            #37

                            @blogdiva By the way, Amazon now lets authors remove DRM from their books. I have done so, so if you buy mine, you can share it with anyone you like. Also, the "pittance" I get from Amazon is a hell of a lot more than I would get from a typical publisher.

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                            • etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloudE etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                              @blogdiva@mastodon.social the moment you make a statement like “if buying isn’t ownership…” you are implying that there is a world where piracy could be wrong or immoral. digital assets can be freely duplicated therefore they can’t be stolen, don’t give any concessions

                              epic_null@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                              epic_null@infosec.exchange
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                              #38

                              @etsyy @blogdiva I don't know that I'd call it the weakest.

                              Your argument focuses on the ethics implied by the argument. While there's a discussion to be had about the ethics of copying digital goods, "If Buying isn't ownership" isn't an ethics argument. It's a contractual one - "If you don't hold up your end of the argument, we don't need to hold up ours".

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                              • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                                “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

                                don’t be a cop.

                                If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

                                If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

                                SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

                                ewhac@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                ewhac@mastodon.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #39

                                @blogdiva When it involves a black flag dancing overheat, salting your beef with flying lead, strip you clean and sink you low to take your grog with Davy Joe... *then* you can call it Piracy.

                                Until then, I'll be calling it, "unsanctioned copying."

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                                • epic_null@infosec.exchangeE epic_null@infosec.exchange

                                  @etsyy @blogdiva I don't know that I'd call it the weakest.

                                  Your argument focuses on the ethics implied by the argument. While there's a discussion to be had about the ethics of copying digital goods, "If Buying isn't ownership" isn't an ethics argument. It's a contractual one - "If you don't hold up your end of the argument, we don't need to hold up ours".

                                  etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloudE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud
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                                  #40

                                  @Epic_Null@infosec.exchange @blogdiva@mastodon.social I understand, and I’m saying if there’s no material harm in us not upholding our end (that being non-piracy) then we shouldn’t be expected to regardless of if they hold up theirs or not.

                                  I’m saying the contract was invalid to begin with

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                                  • etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloudE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud
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                                    #41

                                    @kauer@aus.social @blogdiva@mastodon.social somebody bought it to then have it pirated

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                                    • etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloudE etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                                      @kauer@aus.social @blogdiva@mastodon.social somebody bought it to then have it pirated

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                                      #42

                                      @kauer@aus.social @blogdiva@mastodon.social I’m not advocating for nobody to purchase digital assets or pay the creators, simply that there isn’t a world where the piracy of those assets is wrong

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                                        theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social
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                                        #43

                                        @kauer @etsyy @blogdiva The creator doesn't get their reward now when people don't cheaply copy it, because middlemen squeeze them for everything, so I don't think that is particularly the problem.

                                        There are a wide variety of jobs that the cost of them is going to zero while the benefit they provide to society is incredibly high but hard to measure. This isn't unique to artists.

                                        It gets even worse when you consider the zipf distribution the rewards typically follow.

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                                        • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                                          “PIRATING” IS A CAPITALIST FRAME

                                          don’t be a cop.

                                          If buying isn't ownership then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING isn't stealing

                                          If buying doesn't create ownership, then p̶i̶r̶a̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ SHARING doesn't destroy it.

                                          SHARING is anticapitalist and antifa because sharing is caring.

                                          micdan@mstdn.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          micdan@mstdn.party
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                                          #44

                                          @blogdiva They're stealing our consumer rights so now we're _stealing_ their products!

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