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  • gullok@mastodon.socialG gullok@mastodon.social

    @joho would like to hear a reason to worry about this that does not imply that one might be a child predator.

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    #16

    @gullok @joho

    Getting lynched because a bunch of neo-Nazis got your info from a leak and they class you as an undesirable

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    • gullok@mastodon.socialG gullok@mastodon.social

      @joho would like to hear a reason to worry about this that does not imply that one might be a child predator.

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      #17

      @gullok @joho
      The fact that there has already been a complete failure to protect the data in existing solutions

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      • davey_cakes@mastodon.ieD davey_cakes@mastodon.ie

        @gullok @joho
        The fact that there has already been a complete failure to protect the data in existing solutions

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        #18

        @gullok @joho

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        • davey_cakes@mastodon.ieD davey_cakes@mastodon.ie

          @gullok @joho suddenly having your lifestyle made illegal

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          #19

          @davey_cakes @joho what do you mean by a potentially “illegal lifestyle” here?

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          • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

            Age verification ...

            #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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            #20

            @joho and to give your passport data to criminals

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            • gullok@mastodon.socialG gullok@mastodon.social

              @davey_cakes @joho what do you mean by a potentially “illegal lifestyle” here?

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              #21

              @gullok @joho

              - religion or apostasy
              - sexuality
              - being trans
              - drinking
              - singing
              - wearing particular clothes
              - having certain political views
              - dancing
              - having a job

              There's a long fuckin list, lad

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              • nawer_rapter@mastodon.socialN nawer_rapter@mastodon.social

                @gullok @joho ...
                .........
                .........
                I think you can imagine what "getting your ID before entering in a computer" implies, well before age related issues.
                Besides that, treating children (specially teenagers) like livestock without agency instead of valid persons with valid thoughts and a valid ability to contribute to culture and society feels beyond wrong.
                But that's about minor's rights, and by what you said you wouldn't even allow them to vote with some arbitrary "they're stupid" logic.

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                #22

                @Nawer_Rapter @joho I hear you, it does sound like different problems right? Being able to vote or use the internet is not necessarily connected with being underage, but some platforms are illegal for underaged for a reason, and companies providing such services to underage kids are the ones that need to be punished for, interestingly enough, treating them as livestock.

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                • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

                  Age verification ...

                  #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                  #23

                  @joho Scan your face or upload id if you have different political opinions than ruling party.

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                  • gullok@mastodon.socialG gullok@mastodon.social

                    @Nawer_Rapter @joho how is age related with sexual orientation?

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                    #24

                    @gullok @Nawer_Rapter @joho

                    They're not asking solely age. Remember that the drive to ask for IDs is led by Meta. They're using this platform partly to divert blame, but also part to increase the accuracy of their profiles. Which everyone has, as Facebook has cookies on vast majority of websites, not just their own.

                    Second, they're not asking age solely on sites intended for kids, but on places where people would talk of their politics and preferences. Such as, say, gay person in Russia.

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                    • davey_cakes@mastodon.ieD davey_cakes@mastodon.ie

                      @gullok @joho

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                      #25

                      @davey_cakes @joho your argument is pretty broad, like this is about having all of your life data somehow being uploaded (fun fact, big tech already does a pretty good job with this for profit).

                      but at the same time it is pretty clear that fascism can pop up out of nowhere and then such data could be brutally misused indeed.

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                      • iju@mastodon.socialI iju@mastodon.social

                        @gullok @Nawer_Rapter @joho

                        They're not asking solely age. Remember that the drive to ask for IDs is led by Meta. They're using this platform partly to divert blame, but also part to increase the accuracy of their profiles. Which everyone has, as Facebook has cookies on vast majority of websites, not just their own.

                        Second, they're not asking age solely on sites intended for kids, but on places where people would talk of their politics and preferences. Such as, say, gay person in Russia.

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                        #26

                        @iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho if Meta is behind this, then it is really problematic

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                        • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

                          Age verification ...

                          #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                          #27

                          @joho Good Lord. I'm so ready to reduce both my screen and internet time significantly.

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                          • gullok@mastodon.socialG gullok@mastodon.social

                            @iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho if Meta is behind this, then it is really problematic

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                            #28

                            @gullok @Nawer_Rapter @joho

                            It is. This isn't about pedofiles per se, but that kids are using Meta's services before they're of minimum age (iirc 13...16 depending on location). As Meta's services are repeatedly proven to be bad for mental health by design (as happy people don't spend monies), they can't fix the root cause.

                            So instead of overhauling their systems to be healthy, they're trying to get everyone to give them their IDs.

                            It's essentially the same discussion as with tobacco.

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                            • pecet@f3d1.euP pecet@f3d1.eu

                              @joho Scan your face or upload id if you have different political opinions than ruling party.

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                              #29

                              @pecet @joho actually having non-approved opinions has been banned. -5000 social credit, please check in at the local reeducation center.

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                              • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

                                Age verification ...

                                #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                                #30

                                @joho

                                anonymizing money (crypto) = good
                                anonymizing people (privacy) = bad

                                huh????

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                                • iju@mastodon.socialI iju@mastodon.social

                                  @gullok @Nawer_Rapter @joho

                                  It is. This isn't about pedofiles per se, but that kids are using Meta's services before they're of minimum age (iirc 13...16 depending on location). As Meta's services are repeatedly proven to be bad for mental health by design (as happy people don't spend monies), they can't fix the root cause.

                                  So instead of overhauling their systems to be healthy, they're trying to get everyone to give them their IDs.

                                  It's essentially the same discussion as with tobacco.

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                                  #31

                                  @iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho argh, but then, if we imagine that they would revamp their system to be healthy, vulnerables would just migrate to another addictive platform. I would like to see this kind of algorithm effect being forbidden for social media somehow

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                                  • gullok@mastodon.socialG gullok@mastodon.social

                                    @davey_cakes @joho your argument is pretty broad, like this is about having all of your life data somehow being uploaded (fun fact, big tech already does a pretty good job with this for profit).

                                    but at the same time it is pretty clear that fascism can pop up out of nowhere and then such data could be brutally misused indeed.

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                                    #32

                                    @gullok @joho

                                    One of the problems the new approach causes is that there are a lot of people, who neither of us would consider criminals, who have gone to great lengths to try and remain safe, and this breaks that for them.

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                                    • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

                                      Age verification ...

                                      #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                                      #33

                                      @joho and let us brick anyone's phone

                                      ... if the London Met Police get their way.

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                                      • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

                                        Age verification ...

                                        #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                                        #34

                                        @joho

                                        We are heading towards a Dystopian Surveillance society with no privacy rights.

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                                        • danish_akhtar7@mastodon.socialD danish_akhtar7@mastodon.social

                                          @joho

                                          We are heading towards a Dystopian Surveillance society with no privacy rights.

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                                          #35

                                          @danish_akhtar7 I'm afraid we're already there, the rest is just theory (IMHO).

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