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  3. Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital.

Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital.

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

    Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

    The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

    fatboy@fosstodon.orgF lightweight@social.fossdle.orgL 401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 chu@climatejustice.socialC julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ 11 Replies Last reply
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    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

      Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

      Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

      The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

      fatboy@fosstodon.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
      fatboy@fosstodon.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @JulianOliver this is all kinds of fucked up. Sweden needs to grow a pair and inflict maximum damage

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      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

        Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

        Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

        The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

        lightweight@social.fossdle.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @JulianOliver wow, that makes me very angry with Google.

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        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

          Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

          Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

          The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

          https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

          401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @JulianOliver

          I'm so out of touch on this one... Didn't Google _literally_ break the _law_?

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          • 401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 401matthall@mastodon.xyz

            @JulianOliver

            I'm so out of touch on this one... Didn't Google _literally_ break the _law_?

            moelassus@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @401matthall @JulianOliver What is this thing "law” you speak of?

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            • moelassus@mastodon.socialM moelassus@mastodon.social

              @401matthall @JulianOliver What is this thing "law” you speak of?

              401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @moelassus

              I know, I know. Corruption is problem _everywhere_ but... I kinda thought the Finns had it together on this kind of stuff.

              Like... Slap Google with the equivalent of eminent domain. Take the land back, fine the ever loving shit out of them and if they drag their feat or dissemble start seizing existing property to hold as a bond against the unpaid fine.

              Like... Slap 'em.

              ...

              Does this stuff not work? Am I a child?

              @JulianOliver

              julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ gurre@mastodon.nuG 2 Replies Last reply
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              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

                Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

                The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

                https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

                chu@climatejustice.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @JulianOliver

                Can't just blame Google. Who actually cut down the trees? Get them too. Put them all in jail

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                • 401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 401matthall@mastodon.xyz

                  @moelassus

                  I know, I know. Corruption is problem _everywhere_ but... I kinda thought the Finns had it together on this kind of stuff.

                  Like... Slap Google with the equivalent of eminent domain. Take the land back, fine the ever loving shit out of them and if they drag their feat or dissemble start seizing existing property to hold as a bond against the unpaid fine.

                  Like... Slap 'em.

                  ...

                  Does this stuff not work? Am I a child?

                  @JulianOliver

                  julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @401matthall @moelassus I fear that what will likely eventuate is a run through the high court and a fine that, proportional to their net worth, will be the equivalent of a speeding ticket. I've little doubt they've already readied the cash, and lawyers.

                  To go on, devouring.

                  401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ flaki@flaki.socialF 3 Replies Last reply
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                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                    @401matthall @moelassus I fear that what will likely eventuate is a run through the high court and a fine that, proportional to their net worth, will be the equivalent of a speeding ticket. I've little doubt they've already readied the cash, and lawyers.

                    To go on, devouring.

                    401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @JulianOliver

                    <sigh>

                    I find this insufficient.

                    @moelassus

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                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                      @401matthall @moelassus I fear that what will likely eventuate is a run through the high court and a fine that, proportional to their net worth, will be the equivalent of a speeding ticket. I've little doubt they've already readied the cash, and lawyers.

                      To go on, devouring.

                      julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @401matthall @moelassus And if so, I will ask at what point will we realise that such punitive measures are enabling, and that no amount of cash can replace the natural world.

                      They need to be charged and trialed for ecocide, as murderers.

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                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                        Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

                        Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

                        The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

                        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

                        julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        We traditionally associate mining with such ecocidal environmental erasure, metals and minerals. And yet this is very much the site of a modern mine, one whose minerals are human culture, knowledge, creativity and desire.

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                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                          We traditionally associate mining with such ecocidal environmental erasure, metals and minerals. And yet this is very much the site of a modern mine, one whose minerals are human culture, knowledge, creativity and desire.

                          julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          Fuck Google.

                          muddle@infosec.exchangeM hllizi@hespere.deH kambingramah@mastodon.socialK themadhatter@mastodon.socialT 5 Replies Last reply
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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

                            Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

                            The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

                            https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

                            azonenberg@ioc.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @JulianOliver Have a court sell the wood at auction and donate the proceeds to charity or something? No sense letting it go to waste.

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                            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                              @401matthall @moelassus I fear that what will likely eventuate is a run through the high court and a fine that, proportional to their net worth, will be the equivalent of a speeding ticket. I've little doubt they've already readied the cash, and lawyers.

                              To go on, devouring.

                              flaki@flaki.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @JulianOliver @401matthall plus there is the added cooling factor for fear of getting on the wrong side of the Cheeto-in-chief — for prosecuting its precious company building out precious slopperintelligence infrastructure — amidst a growing threat on Finland's Eastern border (not that we haven't seen who the Cheeto's allegiance truly lies with…)

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                              • flaki@flaki.socialF flaki@flaki.social

                                @JulianOliver @401matthall plus there is the added cooling factor for fear of getting on the wrong side of the Cheeto-in-chief — for prosecuting its precious company building out precious slopperintelligence infrastructure — amidst a growing threat on Finland's Eastern border (not that we haven't seen who the Cheeto's allegiance truly lies with…)

                                401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @flaki

                                That's kinda my point, honestly. Under the current administration US military involvement will _always_ be a method of extracting wealth _directly_.

                                No longer the shell game of the World Bank, the IMF, or USAID for a 'soft-power' approach.

                                Just... Give us money or we'll _let_ Putin roll over you.

                                Then Trump'll split the money with Putin and _let_ him roll over you.

                                ... You literally can't beat a bully without... _beating_ a bully.

                                @JulianOliver

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                                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                  Fuck Google.

                                  muddle@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @JulianOliver Yup. And the whole "prefer this site on google" button (or however it's phrased) is just more of the same shit that they've been peddling since they dropped "don't be evil" as a slogan.

                                  (reader: they've always been evil)

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                                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                    Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

                                    Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

                                    The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

                                    pouakai@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @JulianOliver
                                    That's why they put 'don't be evil' aside.
                                    They like to be evil

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                                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                      Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

                                      Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

                                      The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

                                      peoplearepower@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @JulianOliver These bloody things are just environmental vandalism writ large.

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                                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                        Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

                                        Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

                                        The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

                                        shom@gts.shom.devS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @JulianOliver this is nauseating. I used to worry how future generations would judge us, but I don't know if I need to worry about future generations. Mother Earth will not have mercy on us.

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                                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                          Not sure it could be more brutal, the direct erasure of the natural world for the proprietary and digital. Not to mention done by a corporation in service to a foreign superpower.

                                          Apparently another 150,000 more trees were felled at their Otanmäki site. Both for AI data-centers.

                                          The wood from neither site can be sold, as they were cut down illegally, and to rub it in, Google stripped the top soil of both sites. Totally denuded the land.

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/oct/22/finland-google-felling-trees-datacentre

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                                          #20

                                          @JulianOliver

                                          this is just faux outrage

                                          far as I can tell, Finnish Industry cuts down 30 million trees a year, mostly for lumber

                                          however, the topsoil removal might be bad, dunno

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